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Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by tmpz22 on Sunday January 26, 2020 @08:38PM (#22156211)
More so when you realize she just married a millionaire hotel heir who won’t be liable for her wife’s debts because they were incurred before the marriage...
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by nradov on Sunday January 26, 2020 @09:55PM (#22156551)
It's strange how someone supposedly intelligent like Billy Evans can be so stupid. As a spouse, Elizabeth Holmes comes with tremendous baggage regardless of the outcome of the court cases. And — not to be crude — she isn't even particularly attractive. I guess I just don't understand the ways of billionaires?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by callalex on Sunday January 26, 2020 @10:54PM (#22156752)
I bet she is very energizing/encouraging/inspiring to be around, which is a good quality in a partner. On the other hand, so is honesty...
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by Fnoord on Monday January 27, 2020 @02:46AM (#22157555)
Has she ditched The Voice? Perhaps that got him attracted. She is intelligent, too. Which is potentially attractive.

As for physically attractive: lots of make up isn't, to me. She seems tall. I don't fancy blondes. Ie. also matter of taste.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by lern_too_spel on Monday January 27, 2020 @09:43AM (#22159654)
Former family friend Richard Fuisz said she was a fair student with poor grades. All indications I've seen are that she isn't intelligent but happens to be a sociopath who worked wealthy connections.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by Fnoord on Monday January 27, 2020 @11:06AM (#22160560)
Above-average intelligence*.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by gnicholas on Sunday January 26, 2020 @09:29PM (#22156425)
I’m sure he paid top dollar for that prenup — and worth every penny.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by ceejayoz on Sunday January 26, 2020 @09:34PM (#22156455)
She's a proven extremely competent swindler. It's probably a mistake to assume she can't possibly have convinced someone a pre-nup isn't necessary.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by gnicholas on Sunday January 26, 2020 @10:10PM (#22156604)
I would imagine his family would condition his inheritance on a prenup, at least under circumstances such as these.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by stevehawk on Sunday January 26, 2020 @09:33PM (#22156450)
I think you're confused about how a prenup works in regards to the current context
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by gnicholas on Sunday January 26, 2020 @10:09PM (#22156602)
Nope, a prenup could cover issues arising during the marriage, in addition to at dissolution. It is critical that she not have rights during the marriage to his separate property because then it could be taken by creditors.

And also, as mentioned below, she is obviously not super trustworthy!

Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by gamblor956 on Monday January 27, 2020 @10:35AM (#22160206)
No, he means you're confused about the need for a pre nup. Creditors do not have rights to the separate assets of a spouse for pre material debts even without a pre nup.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by gnicholas on Monday January 27, 2020 @12:52PM (#22161890)
Sure, but assets can be commingled, and I would think one would want to have a very clear understanding of what would and wouldn't be commingled, and what happens to earnings during the marriage (which would be community property in CA).
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by gamblor956 on Monday January 27, 2020 @02:59PM (#22163166)
You're still not getting it...

Premarital assets of one spouse are not subject to the premarital debts of the other spouse. Period. For actions like this arising before the marriage but concluding after the marriage, the debt is premarital.

The same is true of one spouse's separate assets, such as an inheritance.

Marital debts can be subject to marital assets, regardless of whether you have a prenup or not, but even most community property states generally treat legal settlements as debt of the incurring spouse rather than as marital debt. And even the ones that don't will usually allocate that debt to the incurring spouse in the event of a divorce.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by gnicholas on Monday January 27, 2020 @11:58PM (#22166596)
Yeah, I don't think you're getting what I'm saying either.

My point is that this is a very untrustworthy person who is currently being sued and will likely be sued again, marrying a person who is super wealthy. This is clearly a situation where an ironclad prenup is warranted.

As to the specific legal/financial implications: if she continues to lie about things in her civil or criminal trials, she could end up incurring further liabilities — during the marriage — that could put marital property at risk. Or she could defraud other people, again putting marital property at risk. It would be a good idea to cordon off as much as possible to keep it from being attachable by her current/future creditors.

But honestly, I have no idea why anyone would take issue with my original comment: The dude needed a prenup, he probably paid a lot, and it was probably worth it. Why pick nits?

And I say this as a (former) lawyer, who appreciates nuance and getting things right.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by stevehawk on Monday January 27, 2020 @02:10PM (#22162674)
But his assets would be protected for all of this, by default, because she (allegedly) committed all of these crimes prior to the marriage.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes representing herself in Arizona civil case by Jamwinner on Sunday January 26, 2020 @09:42PM (#22156496)
I think he is making insinuations as to her wiles.