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Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by dang on Saturday January 25, 2020 @06:10PM (#22149229)
> Most Chinese people have no so much medical common sense

Please don't post nationalistic flamebait to HN. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but the burden is on the commenter to disambiguate: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... Large internet forums are prone to bursting into flames when what sounds like national or racial putdowns appear.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22147151.

Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by akiselev on Saturday January 25, 2020 @01:06PM (#22147575)
> Most Chinese people have no so much medical common sense, only a warning like this can stop them from trying to return home for the Chinese New Year.

The most important factor during public health crises isn't common sense, it's trust. The quarantines are worthless if they cause over 50 million people to go into a panic because they don't trust the central authorities.

The predominant commentary I'm seeing coming from both sides of the Pacific is currently "what are they not telling us? why shut down several cities during CNY if its only a thousand cases and a few dozen deaths?" Large quarantines are high risk and I doubt even the CDC, which has spent decades cultivating trust, could pull one off. If people start hiding symptoms and avoiding medical care because of the lockdown, this whole situation could spiral way out of control globally.

Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by moulei on Saturday January 25, 2020 @01:33PM (#22147762)
https://amp.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-people-chi...

"Wuhan's party secretary and governor cannot soothe the people's anger"

Faith is losing but but only the local governments. The vast majority of ordinary people still believe that the central government is being hoodwinked by local governments, and taking their anger on them. They still trust the central government would be responsible for them. It's ridiculous, but it's true.

Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by powerfoolx on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:52PM (#22148254)
It's not only thousand cases and a few dozen deaths. It's over a thousand cases over a few days of development from over a dozen. Learn your math, dude, especially on exponential growth. That multiply dangerously fast. Besides the confirmed cases, there would be at least few times more suspected cases, which could easily overload a handful of well-equipped hospitals. Once the the number of those infected go well beyond the capacity of the local hospitals. It will be the beginning of a an unstoppable disaster. So again, learn how exponential growth works.
Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by tunesmith on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:39PM (#22148790)
This is what R0 measures. So far the estimates are in the 1.5 - 4 range. For comparison, in an unvaccinated population, measles is in the 12-16 range. It's early stages, though - due to the latency/carrier thing, they're not really sure, and in Wuhan, the R0 number is going to be higher than it would be for worldwide average.
Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by blackrock on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:32PM (#22149034)
> Most Chinese people have no so much medical common sense

You are displaying your ignorance here, with this statement.

What is your quantification of "most"? Is it 75%? 90%? 95%? or 99%?

Do you know "most" Chinese people? There are 1.4 billion people in China. Can you even fathom that number? Have you ever been to China? Do you even speak the language to make such a judgment?

Let's be scientific here.

The reality is that only a handful of people need to get infected, and they will transmit the virus to others. At which point, it gets out of control.

The lockdown is necessary to limit the transmission. To starve out the virus. It needs human hosts to breed and to propagate itself. And this probably serves as a more cautionary approach, to tell people to maintain their distance away from others.

The likely result of this, is that the central China government will clamp down on wet markets, which may have been the breeding ground of such viruses.

Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by blackrock on Sunday January 26, 2020 @06:05AM (#22151524)
As an update to this:

China just announced they are banning wildlife trade nationwide.

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China bans wildlife trade nationwide in farmers markets, supermarkets, restaurants, and e-commerce platforms, and tightens supervisions, due to the ongoing ‪#CoronaOutbreak‬

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1221326706088144897?...

Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by throw_54313 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:27PM (#22148102)
> Most Chinese people have no so much medical common sense

I disagree. There are no anti-vaxxers in China. I find it’s the opposite, where they often want to be over medicated.

Re:New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in... by aclsid on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:57PM (#22148882)
Doctors are the one driving people away from hospitals in China, since they act like a normal bureaucracy where they don't earn much.

I have experienced it first hand and I can tell you that on all honesty, healthcare in general is the biggest issue affecting the Chinese. Most of them don't realise how bad it is because that is what they know but even places in Latin America have way better patience care with less developed infrastructure