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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by dodobirdlord on Saturday January 18, 2020 @06:30PM (#22088137)
> or that they ever will be

Eventually being better than humans seems like it's obviously going to happen. Not driving drunk, not getting distracted, and not sleeping at the wheel alone are advantages enough that I would be amazed if the balance doesn't eventually fall in favor of the self-driving car. Self-driving cars don't even have to be particularly good drivers to be better than the average human, given how much the human average is dragged down by recklessness.

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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by raducu on Saturday January 18, 2020 @08:12PM (#22088643)
While I would love for self-driving cars to be a thing, the AI to detect tired, distracted, drunk or sleeping drivers could be in every car way, way before self-driving cars will be a thing.
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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by spookthesunset on Saturday January 18, 2020 @09:39PM (#22088993)
> Self-driving cars don't even have to be particularly good drivers to be better than the average human, given how much the human average is dragged down by recklessnes

Tell that to the jury when your self driving car runs into the side of school bus full of kids (which will happen given any reasonable adoption).

Self driving cars would have to be held to an almost insanely high standard to be “winnable lawsuit” proof.

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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by AgentOrange1234 on Sunday January 19, 2020 @12:32AM (#22089656)
If we (society) took an air traffic safety approach, e.g., analyzing each crash, root causing it, and working to address it, one can imagine a day where self-driving cars are very safe. (I’m sure that day is a long way off still.)
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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by stale2002 on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:31AM (#22089822)
These lawsuits alright happen. Right now.

A car manufacturer can already be sued for things that go wrong, in a car, but the world keeps spinning.

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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by takeda on Sunday January 19, 2020 @01:52AM (#22089873)
Nope, they already lobbied that car owner is responsible for failures of the self driving system.
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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by WalterBright on Saturday January 18, 2020 @11:00PM (#22089375)
Such lawsuits are a net detriment to society. It's why light airplane design remains stuck in the 1960s, and why vaccine companies are protected from lawsuits.
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Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by RichardCA on Sunday January 19, 2020 @03:17PM (#22093735)
I disagree that it's obvious. Even a mediocre driver can do things like change lanes in heavy traffic. The nut of the problem is a social one. You have to signal your intention and then figure out when someone else is going to let you in. The basic human ability to form a picture that includes the intentions of the other human beings around them is part of the "Strong AI problem" and may never be solved, ever.
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