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Re:Actix project postmortem by dsego on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:06AM (#22074246)
Well, it's easy to get confused when you look at the professional looking website with a well crafted logo, a promo list of features and a copyright notice from the "The Actix Team". The community page even says "We're a welcoming community so don't be afraid to engage.". Ouch!
Re:Actix project postmortem by rowanG077 on Friday January 17, 2020 @03:43PM (#22079051)
Huh nothing you said indicates it is a professional project. Sleek does not equal professional.
Re:Actix project postmortem by buzzkillington on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:10AM (#22074271)
The easy way to tell is to remember if you're paying them or not.
Re:Actix project postmortem by geofft on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:50AM (#22074571)
Absolutely not. You can get professional (but not necessarily timely) support from me for multiple projects I maintain on GitHub, for free.

For many people, their personal interest in open source is writing code for fun and showing it off. For others, it's making a product that people can rely on. The second one is my motivation; don't take that away from me.

Re:Actix project postmortem by UncleMeat on Friday January 17, 2020 @12:23PM (#22076796)
That’s fine. It’s even admirable if you to do that. But it isn’t and shouldn’t be mandatory.
Re:Actix project postmortem by dodobirdlord on Saturday January 18, 2020 @04:25AM (#22083407)
While “mandatory” would be a stretch, I don’t think there’s anything unreasonable about expecting project owners not to overstate the maintenance level of their projects. Deliberately conveying a false impression to people is called lying, and it’s generally regarded as being bad.
Re:Actix project postmortem by shkkmo on Friday January 17, 2020 @09:40AM (#22074930)
The distinction between "amatuer" and "professional" is literally the motivation for the action, i.e. if you are doing it for enjoyment vs if you are doing it to get paid or advance your career.

If you are making products that people can rely on primarily because you enjoy it, you are literally an amatuer.

There are figurative connotations of quality and polish implicit with those terms, but I find those connotations unfortunate and in many cases unwarranted.

Re:Actix project postmortem by geofft on Friday January 17, 2020 @06:45PM (#22080914)
Sure. I'm not saying I am a professional. I'm saying I will provide professional-style support (according to the connotation), just not necessarily in a timely fashion, and it's demoralizing when other people say you should avoid my amateur software because they're leaning on the connotations of "amateur" and "professional."
Re:Actix project postmortem by onli on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:19AM (#22074332)
That's not true at all. You can pay for amateur bullshit, and you can get professional software and support for free (and free as in freedom).
Re:Actix project postmortem by oefrha on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:28AM (#22074402)
You can get professional software and support for free, until you can’t. This “you’ve provided me free support once, so it’s your obligation to support me for free indefinitely whenever I ask” attitude has certainly contributed to my open source exhaustion as a maintainer.
Re:Actix project postmortem by shkkmo on Friday January 17, 2020 @09:44AM (#22074967)
Well, good luck getting a company you paid for a product to provide indefinite support, large professional software companies cancel projects and EOL software all the time.
Re:Actix project postmortem by Touche on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:34AM (#22074462)
You only have a right to complain about the amateur bullshit you paid for, though.
Re:Actix project postmortem by endorphone on Friday January 17, 2020 @11:07AM (#22075829)
You have a right to complain about anything and everything.

For instance, I don't pay a penny for HN but I can complain that these discussions sometimes become self-congratulatory prattle where angry people carrying a giant chip on their shoulder posit absurd, completely ridiculous notions and they're supported in their group delusion by like-minded parrots. You don't have to agree with my complaint, but nor do I need your or anyone else's permission to hold it.

Re:Actix project postmortem by buzzkillington on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:23AM (#22074360)
My Ethernet is stuck in ipv6, professionally tell me how to fix it, for free.
Re:Actix project postmortem by geofft on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:52AM (#22074580)
That's not an open source project any of us maintain.

Also, there are expectations for both sides of a professional interaction. My employer buys various fancy networking equipment for lots of money and we absolutely wouldn't expect an answer for that question.

Re:Actix project postmortem by saagarjha on Friday January 17, 2020 @08:37AM (#22074484)
Sure, could you provide some more detail?
Re:Actix project postmortem by onli on Friday January 17, 2020 @09:53AM (#22075045)
I actually did that for years in a linux forum.