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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by SkyPuncher on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:22PM (#22057506)
My wife just graduated medical school and started residency.

The burn-out affected both of us and we're just starting to get over it.

* Med school is a freaking grind. She was either at class, at rotations, or studying. Pretty much 80+ hours/week for 4 years.

* We had to move a lot, which has limited my social life. Ended up spending a lot of time just "working" while she'd study in the evenings.

* Major life impacting tests nearly every year. Low scores or failures on a single exam can kill any career aspirations.

* Insane debt load. We're looking at total payback costs around $310k. That was with no undergrad debt and my job paying for all living expenses. If you don't become an attending, you're fucked financially.

* Not enough residency spots for the number of medical schools. Less than 80% of candidates matched into a residency spot. Follow on matching is very low.

* That's right, pretty much 1 in 5 doctors will not go on to practice medicine because they cannot get a residency position.

* Residency salaries are complete shit. It's not unheard of for residents to have to take out loans to payback loans during residency.

* Resident have absolutely no leverage. They are literally slaves to the program they're "matched" to. Program director changes, hospital gets bought out, peers are insufferable - sucks to be you, you're stuck until you graduate.

* Financially being a doctor doesn't make any sense. Everyone looks at doctor's salaries, but completely forgets about the 8 to 10 years doctors (a) make nothing (b) pay for education (c) make pennies. Even with the "doctor salaries", it will take my wife well into our 50's to be financially ahead had simply pursued a career in her STEM field. There's a lot of life that can be live in 30 years that a "big house and a fancy car" doesn't make up for.

* Mid-levels and lesser credentialed, like PA's and NP's, providers are being allowed to take on more and more responsibility. For medicine overall, I think this is the right direction. I believe technology means mid-levels can function at a much higher level than in the past. For physicians, it sucks because it's killing any financial incentives.

I could rant for hours about all of the bullshit my wife went through (and, lesser myself). If you're thinking of becoming a doctor, do yourself a favor and do something else.

If you really want to work in medicine, becoming an NP or PA is a looking like an increasingly attractive route.

Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by throwaway5752 on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @04:05PM (#22058558)
Thank you so much for posting this. If you rant on about this for hours in this thread, I for one would be interested.

I have a feeling that your observation that, "Mid-levels and lesser credentialed, like PA's and NP's, providers are being allowed to take on more and more responsibility. For medicine overall, I think this is the right direction. I believe technology means mid-levels can function at a much higher level than in the past. For physicians, it sucks because it's killing any financial incentives." is dead on.

Further I think the technology side really has to start servicing the physician. A GP's office doesn't have to be the place to get an ECG, and a GP doesn't even necessarily have to see the readout barring some kind of change over time. So much of that should be automated and/or done in specialized clinics. I know how it's complicated by data format standardization, privacy, security, and regulation but it's a shame that we can help doctors be more efficient. I will spare the rant about slightly (and slighty justified if I'm being fair) Luddite tendencies among physicians.

Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by cloverich on Thursday January 16, 2020 @10:45PM (#22071674)
Speaking as someone who quit after medical school and codes professionally (going on 10 years), I'd suggest temperance on the recommendation. Debt is high but so is salary, if they are in it for the long haul they'll be just fine. If you think you want to be a physician, shadow some. If you like what they do, you might like being a physician. I met many doctors who I think would be happier not being a physician, but also many that I think wouldn't be happy doing anything else. I'm happy with my decision overall but frankly i couldn't imagine going back as an NP, PA, Dentist... or anything in the field that wasn't an MD. Those all have much better work life balance, but you need to realistically understand what it means to do each if you want to be happy, and select the one that feels right. (And if it doesn't feel right, Dentistry has the absolute best work life balance, pay, and ability to help people who legitimately need it).
Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by SkyPuncher on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @11:26AM (#22108340)
> Debt is high but so is salary, if they are in it for the long haul they'll be just fine.

This is exactly why I recommend against medicine. You have to be in it for the long haul. If you find you hate medicine in your 3rd year (when rotations typically start), you're already $100k in debt.

Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by yaas on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @07:04PM (#22060288)
Hi, do you have an email I could reach you/your wife at? I'd like to include what you wrote above in a post on my career website (http://www.kareerday.com), with your permission, as well as ask you/her about her job.

FYI: posts on the site are anonymous.

If you'd prefer not posting your email here, you can reach me at [email protected]

Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by annoyingnoob on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @06:26PM (#22059988)
My wife just got her NP. After her BSN an MSN/NP she has like $200k in debt. Last year was really busy with her training schedule plus school plus life with kids. From where I'm standing our picture isn't a whole lot rosier than yours.