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Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by kerkeslager on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @02:17PM (#22048236)
From the advertiser's perspective, that's a problem.

From my perspective, good. Advertising is toxic even when it's not invading my privacy, and maybe if we make it less effective people will do less of it.

Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by lubujackson on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @05:12PM (#22049768)
Reality leans the other way. What eill likely happen is that sites that used to make 100k a year from ads see their revenue drop to 70k then 50k then 30k. To stay afloat they plaster more and worse ads in order to survive.

This is exactly what happened during the first dot com crash when we went from $35 CPM banner ads to $1. Suddenly, ads were slathered on every page or websites simply disappeared. What we really need is a deal that works well for all three parties: advertisers, consumers and content providers. Google Adsense was this perfect solution for a while (until it got optimized to max profitability).

Maybe online advertising is like social networks and can only enjoy brief moments of relative balance before the cycle starts anew.

Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by JohnFen on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @06:42PM (#22050400)
> What we really need is a deal that works well for all three parties: advertisers, consumers and content providers.

I don't think such a thing actually exists. I mean, there is a way to do advertising that doesn't require spying on everybody -- contextual ads -- but advertisers seem to consider that a bad outcome, and instead are spending a lot of time and energy trying to figure out how to continue to spy on everybody.

Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by perl4ever on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @11:14PM (#22051710)
An appropriate free market solution would be to construct an easy way to search only the ad-supported web, or only the non-ad-supported web and let people choose.

The problem right now is that it's all mingled together.

Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by bryan_w on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @10:44PM (#22051600)
People easily forget the days of punch the monkey and x10 ads
Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by stubish on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @11:07PM (#22051685)
Did those companies go out of business? An ad company in its death throws is going to be annoying right up until someone puts it out of its misery.
Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by lotu on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @06:02PM (#22050143)
There is zero chance that poorer tracking will reduce advertising meaningfully. You can’t track the effectiveness of TV and and radio and newspaper ads, but it’s not like people don’t use them.
Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by r3dk1ng on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @07:14PM (#22050593)
> can't track the effectiveness of TV, radio, and newspaper ads

Sure you can. "Use check-out code 'newspaper1' to get 5% off any purcahse!" or something.

Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by waynesonfire on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @04:48PM (#22049575)
why is that good? you're paying for it.
Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by kerkeslager on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @09:47AM (#22054553)
Here are the ways I can pay for it:

1. Find out about content I want. Decide to pay for it. Pay for it. Receive content. A simple, fair transaction where everyone gets what they want with no bullshit.

2. Find out about content I want. Receive content, along with ads that spy on me, distract me from the content I actually cared about, and tell me my girlfriend isn't hot enough, my car isn't fast or luxurious enough, my house isn't big enough, my family isn't safe enough, etc. Under the barrage of this constant psychological attack, I'll occasionally fall for it and end up spending much more money on things that I don't need than I would have spent on the content. And yet the content that I actually cared about and wanted to pay for only receives a fraction of those profits.

Re:Building a more private web: A path towards making third ... by sroussey on Tuesday January 14, 2020 @02:46PM (#22048507)
No, it would simply move even more from impression to action.