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Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by remmargorp64 on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:53PM (#22027748)
Of course, the downside to doing anything with a Google product is that it could be deprecated next year...
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by tpetry on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:57PM (#22027784)
It‘s slready like a meme: the typical comment on the google cloud that it could be closed tomorrow.

When will everyone understand that google cloud (money earning product) is different to all the other free products

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by gumby on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:14PM (#22027922)
> When will everyone understand that google cloud (money earning product) is different to all the other free products

When Google demonstrates it. They've already discontinued various parts of their cloud product.

True, they are unlikely to shut down gmail, search, or Android.

On the other hand google's cloud is a money loser that has slipped to a distant #4 in the cloud rankings.

But like many of Google's revenue-generating products it exists to show Wall Street that they have an increasingly diversified revenue stream (I think advertising is "down" to around 87%). They have lots of bets to try an improve this but little to show for it.

They did recently commit $2B to making GCP a player but I suspect that if that doesn't show results by the end of 2020, investment in this sector will fall precipitously.

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by tpetry on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:51PM (#22028257)
Do you have examples of discontinued Google Cloud Platform products?
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by gumby on Sunday January 12, 2020 @05:42PM (#22030131)
You don't need to ask me: Google provides their own handy list of examples (some like messaging API show up under other names like XMPP; others don't appear on this list because they were marketed differently, e.g. Google Print):

https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/deprecations/

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by manigandham on Monday January 20, 2020 @10:02PM (#22103985)
Those are just features of a single product (appengine) which has been around for more than a decade and through several generations. Every product under every cloud vendor has API and feature changes over the lifetime.

GCP has never had a major product line shutdown. The only thing that comes close is Google Maps API pricing changes, but technically the service is still there and has even more functionality.

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by dodobirdlord on Sunday January 12, 2020 @05:57PM (#22030257)
Many of those seem to have been around for well more than the 1 year deprecation minimum, and most of them appear to be some combination of Alpha/Beta products or language runtimes. Alpha/Beta products aren't really on-topic, and the language runtime stuff doesn't look all that different from how AWS does runtime deprecations.

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/lambda/latest/dg/runtime-support...

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by libria on Sunday January 12, 2020 @02:51PM (#22028745)
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by llampx on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:05PM (#22027838)
Money-earning products have been shut down at Google before.
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by xenospn on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:05PM (#22027836)
Burden of proof is on Google.
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by yegle on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:37PM (#22028124)
Disclaimer: I work on Cloud Run as an SRE.

Google Cloud has an official deprecation policy. If a product is labeled GA, Google Cloud guarantees that the service will continue running for at least 12 months since the announcement of deprecation.

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by OkGoDoIt on Sunday January 12, 2020 @02:32PM (#22028599)
Exactly. According to what you said, any service with that policy could literally shut down next year if there is a deprecation announcement this year.

Which is better than some small no name startup service provider who might just go out of business tomorrow, but among all the big cloud providers Google is definitely the hardest to trust with longevity.

A more realistic concern is that Google might substantially change the free tier making this more expensive, or might shut down some auxiliary product that would be painful to switch from without migrating clouds completely, or that a payment might bounce for some reason and now I’m locked out of all of my google services without recourse.

Sure the odds of all of the above are relatively low, but from what I’ve seen they are a lot higher on Google than they are on Azure or AWS.

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by yegle on Sunday January 12, 2020 @07:17PM (#22030777)
That 12 months is the minimum guaranteed period that your service won't be interrupted.

See the full list of deprecations in App Engine: https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/deprecations/

High profile deprecations are handled carefully and we usually handle them with extended deprecation period with clear migration path/doc and communications. Notable examples in the table:

1. Python 2.5: 4+ years 2. Java 6: 20 months with existing user automigrate to Java 7 3. Java 7: 13 months with existing user automigrate to Java 8 4. Master/slave datastore: 3+ years.

Considering App Engine is the first Google Cloud offering, I'd say we have a very good track record of meet our deprecation policy and usually exceeds it.

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by lallysingh on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:12PM (#22027904)
Can we standardize this standard comment? Say a URL that points to the problems we always see complaints about for using a Google service? Then someone posts that link at every Google HN post and we can all get on with our lives?

They're boilerplate and don't add to the discussion.

Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by GordonS on Sunday January 12, 2020 @02:38PM (#22028649)
Yes, as much as I agree with the sentiment of the GP, these comments really are just a bore now.
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by rantwasp on Sunday January 12, 2020 @01:47PM (#22028224)
i suggest a TLA in the title so that we all know what is going to happen. why wast a good comment on it
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by dangoor on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:56PM (#22027772)
Assuming you’re using SQL or something else that’s portable for your data, the app is just a standard app in a container. It would be easy to move elsewhere, or even to just deploy to a different Google Cloud service.
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by inscrutable on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:53PM (#22027754)
except it's open source...
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by akoncius on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:55PM (#22027770)
please give a link to source
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by wstrange on Sunday January 12, 2020 @02:35PM (#22028626)
Re:Deploy your side-projects at scale for basically nothing ... by foolinaround on Sunday January 12, 2020 @12:58PM (#22027789)
its more an adherence to open standards - it is built on knative