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Re:Haters by KirinDave on Saturday January 11, 2020 @10:31AM (#22020321)
What if the reason haters are using the word "fraud" is not because of sour grape chewing about the random vagaries of chance, but because the company (at the behest of their leadership) has been lying to their customers about such things as:

1. Their employee list (not updating it quickly after major staffing changes)

2. Legal status: misrepresenting to the public and to customers that the company is licensed to operate in that capacity or is proceeding illegally?

3. Pressuring it's subscription customers to publish positive stories about the product and reportedly even threatening their access to it.

I ask because this article comes out days after a Business Insider article about a high profile YC company. Its author uses the words "fraud" on their twitter and "cult" in the article, and makes some of the accusations that I've listed above. It's difficult not to suspect the two events are linked.

Re:Haters by danso on Saturday January 11, 2020 @01:51PM (#22021578)
A more recent example would be this Dec. 30, 2019 twitter thread [0], in which someone asked for an update from the California state regulator on Lambda's approval status, and was told that they were not approved, (see edit for correction of following) and apparently, do not appear to have submitted an application.

[0] https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1211717254712135680

edit: the thread author just replied that BPPE followed up and said Lambda has recently applied:

https://twitter.com/sandofsky/status/1216075710818766848

> In a follow up BPPE said they recently applied. They also said it’s not possible for any school offering ISAs to meet the legal requirements.

Re:Haters by JumpCrisscross on Saturday January 11, 2020 @03:27PM (#22022071)
> do not appear to have submitted an application

This is nuts.

Does Lambda School market itself, and/or have students in, New York State?

Re:Haters by KirinDave on Saturday January 11, 2020 @02:20PM (#22021736)
Thanks. I'm on a plane and the WiFi gets kinda bad over Greenland. I couldn't get Twitter's search function to work reliably.
Re:Haters by orf on Saturday January 11, 2020 @10:36AM (#22020354)
Care to link to the story?
Re:Haters by KirinDave on Saturday January 11, 2020 @10:52AM (#22020453)
Re:Haters by tompccs on Saturday January 11, 2020 @01:36PM (#22021472)
These are old stories. Given pg's statements on Twitter it's likely Lambda School was at least at the back of his mind when he wrote the piece but I don't think it's the sole reason.
Re:Haters by KirinDave on Saturday January 11, 2020 @01:43PM (#22021525)
This all blew up on Twitter and Reddit a few nights ago.

I actually ended up in chats (directly and indirectly) with a few different LS alumni who didn't know what to do, as they were unable to find work and afraid to speak out against LS for not doing a good job.

Re:Haters by tompccs on Saturday January 11, 2020 @01:54PM (#22021596)
Interesting. I think Austen is a brilliant self-promoter, which is the source of much of his and LS's success. Not knocking that at all, the product seems to work for a lot of people and the more he can scale it the more people he can help.

Being a good self-promoter puts you prominently in the public eye which is I think attracts a lot of detractors/haters. There are also competitors with very similar offerings who can't match up to Austen's hype machine. They want to claim there is some fatal flaw at the heart of LS to make Austen look like some kind of fraudster. This seems despearate to me.

There are always dissatisfied students. I remember when I was an undergraduate I got into arguments with people on a private facebook group who felt that the course should have been more "spoon-fed" to us and that the exam questions were unfair. People come to higher education with widely varying expectations. As the old adage goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time.

That said, my antenna is up for any serious criticism of AA and LS. So far I've not seen anything beyond to-be-expected low-level grumbling, which is being pounced on his strange growing harem of haters. Which only adds weight to pg's article, in my opinion.

Re:Haters by KirinDave on Saturday January 11, 2020 @02:15PM (#22021711)
It seems like maybe losing all their well-known teachers and jeopardizing every contract they have inked with students by lying publicly about their lack of licensing in California aren't sufficient complaints?
Re:Haters by AlexCoventry on Saturday January 11, 2020 @07:15PM (#22023423)
Do you have a link to the recent reddit thread?
Re:Haters by nicesnowoman on Monday January 13, 2020 @01:13AM (#22032227)