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Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by LargeWu on Friday January 10, 2020 @01:56PM (#22013967)
Also, be tall, that doesn't hurt.
Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by anon9001 on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:00PM (#22014020)
It's also not a bad idea to be rich, and whatever the most desirable gender and ethnicity are for your area, but those things are less actionable than social skills, fitness, and beauty.
Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by hadiz on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:47PM (#22014627)
beauty is not achievable.
Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by anon9001 on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:59PM (#22014767)
Sure it is! Cosmetics are an enormous industry for this reason. For men, it's more about having a proper haircut, facial hair that suits your bone structure (which is kind of men's makeup), clothes that fit, and good posture.

If you don't believe me, consult with some of your more attractive friends, and have yourself a makeover day to try it out. You can look like a million bucks for the cost of a haircut and a new outfit. Even if you're out of shape, you can present yourself just fine.

If you're feeling really brave, doll yourself up as nicely as you can, and consult a forum (not HN) on your appearance. Reddit has a few communities that do this sort of thing. You can dial yourself in to what most people would considered "beautiful" pretty quickly if you want to do it.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by Forbo on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:01PM (#22014785)
There's a lot of money to be made in convincing people otherwise.

- Plastic surgery: ~$18B in the US in 2019

- Cosmetics: ~$55B in the US in 2019

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by jelliclesfarm on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:53PM (#22015416)
I started by growing vegetables. Money pit. Then I started growing lavender and aromatics for essential oil distillation. It’s for cosmetic purposes and perfumery. Much higher margin.

Go figure..people would spend more for perfume than for their food. Why? Because. Markets.

It’s ok. If you work with pigs, you have to roll in pig poop. It’s already established what we do the minute we start selling..it’s only a matter of branding and marketing.

I am a little lucky in that I still get to work amidst plants and nature that is my secret pleasure. It’s the selling part that I abhor. But..needs must..etc..

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by anon9001 on Friday January 10, 2020 @09:45PM (#22017745)
Just out of curiosity, how much do you have to grow to sell and where do you sell it?

Is that the kind of thing you could do in your backyard for a side business, or do you have to have acres of property?

Not sure if it's a farm->wholesaler or backyard->ebay or maybe backyard->shopify.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by jelliclesfarm on Friday January 10, 2020 @11:20PM (#22018101)
I lease land..I farm about 3 acres. You could..in theory..make $40k/acre gross if you have markets, capital and land. It’s tricky if you don’t own land, not enough start up capital and people to work for minimum wage. I could also buy 100 acres of orchard ..nuts or stone fruit or citrus and outsource management. I am still farming. It’s more stable. It’s still a farm and you get deductions and land appreciates and machinery depreciates etc.

For me, it wasn’t worth selling kale and lettuce(need a cooler) and find people to work. I paid more than minimum wage (15-25/hour), but that’s not a liveable wage and even that was eating into my margins. And food is plentiful and cheaper at super markets. So what’s the point? Consider this: insurance is same if you are one acre or 20 acres. CCOF certification costs the same. Machinery and capital costs are fixed. Even if farmers markets are profitable, you have two people working 8 hours at minimum wage and need set up equipment and fees etc.

Yes, it can be done in the backyard etc if you have enough space and you have to operate as a farm. Mostly to make sure you follow food safety rules(it is important), but it becomes too much when you are selling wholesale(less than at csa and farmers market) but at volume. You need different set of certifications and audits.

All in all, due to economies of scale, I think you’d need at least 20-40 acres for economies of scale to kick in and you want to do it in an environmentally safe way. Better if you own as you build equity and have land security.

But I also feel like it’s only worth it if you can automate labour ..at least partially. That’s why I feel farm automation and robotics should focus on small acreage farms where they need it and not in commercial large corporate owned farms or commodity crop producing farms that are already hyper optimized and scaled to capture every marginal gain.

Again. Where you are matters. Whether you own the property matters. Markets matter. Even if I had 40 acres, I won’t grow for market if I can’t automate. The numbers don’t add up. I am too old to be romantic about farming as rolling in the hay and yodeling to cows. Also, I studied to be an accountant. I am brutal with numbers crunching. It killed all the farm romance before it even sprouted.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by jelliclesfarm on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:49PM (#22015383)
As I get older, I am more interested in what’s achievable with ‘beauty’(a loaded term).

There is a lot we take for granted when young. And things we don’t notice. Like gravity, for example..

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by jelliclesfarm on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:47PM (#22015370)
https://news.yahoo.com/men-paying-76-000-limb-155514396.html : just read this..what a coincidence!

[..] Some men and a few women are getting plastic surgery to lengthen their limbs and grow up to six inches taller.

Dr. Kevin Debiparshad, founding surgeon at The LimbplastX Institute in Las Vegas, Nevada, has performed this procedure on more than 30 people since opening his practice in 2018.

The two-hour, $76,000 procedure involves minor breaks in the leg bones, nails and screws, and physical therapy. It takes a full year to see the end results.

Some patients may lose some athletic ability, and a psychologist previously told Insider "cosmetic procedures don't have a lasting effect on people's positive body images nor their general well-being." [..]

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by ukyrgf on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:52PM (#22015410)
Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by jelliclesfarm on Friday January 10, 2020 @04:32PM (#22015787)
Very sad. I am going to say something here against my better judgement.

I have a genetic condition that puts me at a higher risk for DVT. It’s a not uncommon mutation called Factor V Leiden. I saw it in my 23 and me report that I ordered when 23andMe just got started. We are talking over a decade ago. There were a lot more reports than what’s given out now.

I had to stop my doctors from prescribing meds and procedures because of the genetic report. I also took a definitive test that mentions the mutation in my permanent record so it is considered in the future prescriptions and I suspect this would be useful as I get older.

This is where genetic tests like 23andMe can be useful. It’s not definitive but it would help to determine how to steer your health future.

Having said that, privacy trumps. I do not approve of sharing personal information by companies like 23andMe and esp to drug companies and insurance companies.

Also. These reports are not infallible. They keep trying to connect me with fifth cousins with whom I have less in common than I do with fruit flies. They also seem to think that I have Finnish ancestors when I can trace back my ancestry to south India for the past few centuries. It can be an imperfect ‘science’.

Circling back, this young man probably could have benefitted from a genetic screening.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by bb88 on Friday January 10, 2020 @01:59PM (#22014006)
Interesting story about China and leg lengthening procedures.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&obj...

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by hinkley on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:09PM (#22014144)
I have a suspicion that there may be a cultural difference in posture between the West and China.

I’ve been practicing a Chinese martial art for half a decade, and in the last few years I’ve gotten incredulous looks a handful of times when I tell someone my height. I do not stand rail straight anymore, I hate shoes with lifts in them because they throw off my balance. I am in effect shorter than I was, which puts me at the high end of average in the eyes of people who are below average height (who do stand up, and don’t mind 1 inch heels).

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by 1996 on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:53PM (#22014688)
Not interesting, just light on facts. It says the procedure is now banned for cosmetic reasons after a few patients were "disfigured".

How where they disfigured, since the legs are as far apart as can be from the face?

If it's the leg that looks ugly afterwards, can't the leg be fixed? Was there a bone problem? An infection ??

I don't think I would go that fact personally, but if there was something possible for the chest, I would seriously consider it.

Pumping iron can only take you so far. The bones underneath set the actual limit.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by bb88 on Friday January 10, 2020 @04:29PM (#22015751)
No offense, but one of the weird things about HN in general is that commenters can't find apparently relatively easily google-able facts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.uk

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by 1996 on Friday January 10, 2020 @06:25PM (#22016708)
I read articles, but I don't google. Thanks for the link.

> Each leg now bears eight circular scars, each half an inch in diameter, from the screws that were removed. But now, three inches taller than before, Susan says she would not hesitate to recommend the procedure to her friends.

That is all I need to know. Patient satisfied, and would recommend the procedure.

Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by selimthegrim on Friday January 10, 2020 @02:17PM (#22014248)
India, too I’ve heard.
Re:In Silicon Valley, some men say cosmetic procedures are e... by heyheyhey on Friday January 10, 2020 @03:00PM (#22014776)
Well, these days, being attractive conflates with being already tall.