Kinda like how I felt when the docent at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View passed around an ancient artifact from a bygone civilization for the guests to marvel at: a 5 1/4" floppy disk.

Recently I saw a talk from a twenty-something programmer who as a child didn't believe "real" computers (desktop PCs) could be programmed at all, that was something you could do only with "old" computers like the Apple II. He hacks lisp now for some networking company, so maybe the kids will be all right. :)

Or the 8" floppy disk which I saw when I was a middle school kid learning my first programming on a paper teletype!

I have an 8" floppy disk framed on the wall of my office.

When I retire and I have more time, I'm going to fill my house with Cromemco-era gear and do all the things I always wanted to do back then.

But first, I have to convince my wife that S-100 bus machines are mid-century modern, so she'll allow them in the door.

If you wait until you retire (unless retiring happens in 5-10 years maybe), you might not be able to afford the gear.

Stuff is pretty expensive even now, depending on what you want, what you can get, and such. Or, maybe you'll get lucky - several years ago I scored an Altair for $200 from a local electronics junkyard; later I went back and scoured it for a bunch of S-100 cards (as is, it came with a full complement).

Later I got some things off ebay, and even some free items from some other collectors - all I had to pay for was shipping. One strange beast was a 6502 cpu PCB (unpopulated) - I am not sure if it is compatible with the Altair's S-100 bus layout, or if it is meant for some other machine (the bus wasn't as standard as one would like, unfortunately).

Anyhow, good luck with your dream - just collecting the stuff can be fun enough!

I still have a few 8" floppy disks and you can more understand why they were called floppy disks when you hold one of those vs the 5 1/4" disks.

I've got one from an old S-100 system.

I have an Altair - when I bought it, it came with a controller card for an 8-inch floppy system...with one slight difference:

It was for so-called "hard sectored" drives.

If you know about floppies, you know they have a timing hole near the hub ring; as this flies past a sensor, the controller can use it to keep the speed of the motor constant, as well as determine what sector on a track is currently under the head of the drive. Depending on timing and other factors, it can allow for varying size sectors - this is known as "soft sectors".

Hard sector drives had a similar sensor, but the floppies had - instead of a single hole - multiple holes spaced around the hub - one hole for each sector, hence "hard sectored"...

It was mainly a difference with the media and controller, not so much the drive itself, IIRC.

The problem is that, if I ever could even find an actual drive for the system, I'd probably never find any media; as it is, it's getting more difficult to find 5.25" media in the old 8-bit era "low-density" format - at least, anything new (similarly, low-density 3.5" floppies are difficult to find - which stinks for Amiga owners).

High density floppies in both 5.25" and 3.5" sizes are much easier to find - though the 5.25" drives can be an issue (not that they are hard to find, but sometimes the prices are thru the roof - mainly because of demand from industrial controllers that used PCs for CNC control needing replacements).

I still own a 8" floppy drive, it isn't connected up to anything though.

Most standard PC floppy controllers, the kind on the motherboard of a typical x86 machine made right into the early 21st century, can drive a standard Shugart-style 8" disk drive. Though some controllers don't handle single-density disks.

There's something to be said for computers that came with BASIC built in. But you know, if you have Windows and Office, you still have BASIC built in...

...for those who don't know anything about the Amiga, AmigaBASIC that came with early systems was a Microsoft implementation and some people's first exposure to programming.

I guess you were downvoted because you don't need Office?? Windows itself comes with an interpreter (VBScript) and a compiler (vbc.exe).

VBScript is kind of dead I thought? I mean, I thought that was distinct from VBA and related to IE and going away if it hasn't quite yet.