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Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by pjmlp on Thursday January 09, 2020 @11:24AM (#22002483)
I love how everyone blames Microsoft for what was OEMs doing a race to the bottom.

OEMs had an option, yes they would had to pay more for licenses, but no one pointed them a gun, or did visits mafia style to forbid them to sell other systems.

Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by beagle3 on Thursday January 09, 2020 @11:38AM (#22002640)
Microsoft, the incumbent, offered OEMs cheaper Windows licenses as long as there was no dual boot, or a windows license was paid for every machine sold regardless of what it ran.

Under these terms, it was suicide for OEMs to offer anything except “only Windows”. I was actually working for another company whose software was killed by Microsoft by a similar “or else” threat from Microsoft at the time.

Microsoft was a bully doing (likely) illegal things, except the FTC wasn’t doing its job.

Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by ulfw on Thursday January 09, 2020 @12:09PM (#22003058)
And what would have stopped OEMs to offer the same device with a different SKU with BeOS AND Windows for say x USD more?

(kind of like Dell does with their Linux lappies)

Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by loeg on Thursday January 09, 2020 @05:19PM (#22006515)
More SKUs cost more in manufacturing, QA; choice paralysis may drive away customers. All for a relatively niche offering that might piss off their big product. Little upside. It's even a bit surprising Dell sells Linux laptops, considering.
Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by beagle3 on Thursday January 09, 2020 @12:17PM (#22003154)
Lack of demand (for BeOS at an extra cost; or for Windows by people who wanted BeOS)

Also, some of the time Microsoft simply forbade dual booting as a condition for OEM licensing.

Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by dilap on Thursday January 09, 2020 @11:28AM (#22002520)
It'd be business suicide to charge more just so they could offer an obscure OS as an option; in my mind, this is the kind of clear anticompetitive situation it'd be good to use the law to avoid. Instead the DOJ went after MS for bundling a web browser. So dumb.
Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by slipheen on Thursday January 09, 2020 @12:50PM (#22003547)
Microsoft was sued, and settled for $23M. https://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240052523/BeOS-will-liv...
Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by dilap on Thursday January 09, 2020 @01:08PM (#22003729)
Hey, that’s neat, but too little too late!

Was it just a strategic misstep for Be to not sue at the time, when it would have mattered? Why did the DOJ care about MS bundling a web browser w/ its OS but not care about MS preventing OEMs from selling any other OS than Windows? The seems wildly, clearly more anticompetitive to me!

And why does no one care about this stuff anymore? Not only does iOS bundle a browser, you cannot install any other browser (you can install alternative UI frontends for webkit, but you can’t ship your own js/html etc engine). Not too mention that they can veto any software on the platform for any reason...

Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by pjmlp on Thursday January 09, 2020 @11:31AM (#22002563)
There are laws about dumping prices, beyond that it is business as usual.
Re:BeOS: The Alternate Universe's Mac OS X by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday January 09, 2020 @07:31PM (#22007381)
Only slightly off topic, but are you aware of

[1] https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-Japan-make-their-own-brand-O...

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