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Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by Kiro on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:24AM (#21989483)
Then we should just close this thread since literally everything will be speculation at this point.
Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:29AM (#21989519)
> I don't see the problem with speculation

It's intellectually dishonest, particularly when baseless speculation is framed by an "it looks like."

It crowds out fact-driven discussion.

It's disrespectful and potentially hurtful.

It could be mistaken for informed commentary, in which case it's misleading. (When I’ve done it, the first victim is myself.)

And to top it off, it's useless. Totally useless. Nobody walks away with a deeper understanding. No new perspectives. Just screaming into a void.

Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by wayneftw on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:05AM (#21991483)
You stop because what you are doing is typing a lot of words without saying anything useful. You’re being a bully.

Observations are useful. Even mistaken ones.

Saying "It looks like..." is stating a fact. What else is someone supposed to say if that’s what it looks like to them?

It doesn't crowd out "fact-driven discussion".

It's not disrespectful or potentially harmful.

Anything could be mistaken, even empirical evidence. Even what you think is a fact...can be wrong.

> And to top it off, it's useless. Totally useless. Nobody walks away with a deeper understanding. No new perspectives. Just screaming into a void.

That's you. You're being ridiculous. You're over-reacting. You haven't produced any evidence to backup your opinion that speculation is harmful or crowds out your so-called "fact-driven" discussion, or that what is said here on HN has any effect whatsoever on anything going on with this story. Just stop it.

Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by echelon on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:39AM (#21989577)
I appreciate this. I've modified my post.