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Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:17AM (#21989425)
> It looks like it was shot down with an air defense missile. You can see the plane on fire as it falls to the earth.

Come on. Don't do this.

Planes are complex machines. They're pressurized and propelled by a continuous explosion. There are lots of ways for things to go wrong.

A good rule of thumb in aviation is to ignore the first 24 hours of news. There are no facts. Everyone is an armchair crash investigator. And mindshare is competed for with salaciousness.

It could be an attack. It could be an air-defense error. Or it could be a mechanical error. One of countless possible mechanical errors. Either way, it's a tragedy to which no service is done by baseless speculation.

Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by tempsy on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:26AM (#21989502)
what is the point of this being the top post on HN then if there’s no point to speculation? What are people supposed to be commenting for, really?
Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:30AM (#21989527)
> What are people supposed to be commenting for, really?

I don't know. And I don't have to know.

Just because one can't come up with a value-adding comment doesn't require the content be censored. Nor does it mean the void should be filled with nonsense.

Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by tempsy on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:35AM (#21989553)
comments shouldn’t be censored because you’re personally allergic to speculation
Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by thiscatis on Saturday January 11, 2020 @12:20AM (#22018311)
This comment didn’t age well
Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by Hamuko on Saturday January 11, 2020 @04:25AM (#22019057)
Yes it did. It was basically just "don't jump to conclusions", which is the correct way to approach any of these kinds of events.

See also: https://dartcenter.org/blog/skeptics-guide-to-media-coverage...

Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by Kiro on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:24AM (#21989483)
Then we should just close this thread since literally everything will be speculation at this point.
Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:29AM (#21989519)
> I don't see the problem with speculation

It's intellectually dishonest, particularly when baseless speculation is framed by an "it looks like."

It crowds out fact-driven discussion.

It's disrespectful and potentially hurtful.

It could be mistaken for informed commentary, in which case it's misleading. (When I’ve done it, the first victim is myself.)

And to top it off, it's useless. Totally useless. Nobody walks away with a deeper understanding. No new perspectives. Just screaming into a void.

Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by wayneftw on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:05AM (#21991483)
You stop because what you are doing is typing a lot of words without saying anything useful. You’re being a bully.

Observations are useful. Even mistaken ones.

Saying "It looks like..." is stating a fact. What else is someone supposed to say if that’s what it looks like to them?

It doesn't crowd out "fact-driven discussion".

It's not disrespectful or potentially harmful.

Anything could be mistaken, even empirical evidence. Even what you think is a fact...can be wrong.

> And to top it off, it's useless. Totally useless. Nobody walks away with a deeper understanding. No new perspectives. Just screaming into a void.

That's you. You're being ridiculous. You're over-reacting. You haven't produced any evidence to backup your opinion that speculation is harmful or crowds out your so-called "fact-driven" discussion, or that what is said here on HN has any effect whatsoever on anything going on with this story. Just stop it.

Re:Iran crash: Ukrainian passenger plane crashes with 170 on... by echelon on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @03:39AM (#21989577)
I appreciate this. I've modified my post.