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Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by alkonaut on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:56PM (#21986106)
If the hardware is fixed (redundant sensors where necessary etc., but obviously not “smaller engines”) and the software is fixed, and training is fixed so pilots can handle the situations that can occur, and authorities believe the plane is safe - then I believe the plane is safe. It’s at least then safe enough that I wouldn’t pay hundreds of dollars to avoid it. Would I prefer an A320neo departing from the next gate at the same price? Sure.
Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by freepor on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:28PM (#21987696)
I’ll let you be the guy on the plane wondering why he made the choices he did as the ground zooms in. I’ll fly a different plane or not fly.
Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by alkonaut on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @06:49AM (#21990545)
I'm thinking the 787 with its rather shaky reputation might end up less safe than any 737-MAX8 that is approved for service again. Only time will tell, it's a game of (large) numbers.

Choosing not to fly is pretty simple (If you accept that some locations are simply off limits). Flying "another plane" is NOT simple, unless you completely avoid airlines that have MAX8's, or avoid flying where a MAX8 may be used.

The problem is amplified by a few statistical problems: 737-800 is probably the most common jet around. Most (all?) MAX8 operators have 737-800's. That means any time you book a flight where a 737 may be used, it can be either a 737-800 or a MAX8. You can't know.

You can always turn around when you see a MAX8 in your gate, but you can't know when booking that a MAX8 won't be used, even if it says 737-800 when you book. So unless you are ready to turn around in the gate when you see a MAX8, you simply can't book that airline. Depending on whose wedding or what job interview you were flying to, turning around at the gate might not be so appealing either.

Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by freepor on Thursday January 09, 2020 @09:48PM (#22007979)
I did exactly that in the period when we were waiting for the MAX to be grounded. I saw that Southwest owned MAX’s so I cancelled the ticket and rebooked on an airline that didn’t.
Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by pnw_hazor on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:17PM (#21988272)
Also, since this catastrophe happened because of systemic bad engineering practices how many of the other upgraded systems or software in Boeing airplanes should we trust?

Also of note, the US Air Force has been refusing delivery of the air tankers Boeing is building because of manufacturing sloppiness. Bad engineering and poor quality manufacturing seems to be a hallmark of Boeing these days.

Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by SilasX on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:58PM (#21986134)
> and authorities believe the plane is safe

After the FAA let themselves get hoodwinked by Boeing, this means a lot less than it used to, and it will take time to restore a reputation for being a legit independent check.

Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by nolok on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:02PM (#21986173)
Just wait until the European agency certify it. They got the right to certify it themselves (before that they were grandfathered in the "accept FAA certification as is for Boeing plane" deal), and they're taking it seriously. Also even the FAA seems to finally have realized how close they were to losing their world status, so they act all serious about it.
Re:Boeing Backs Simulator Training for 737 Max Pilots in Rev... by alkonaut on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @06:31PM (#21986455)
Yeah I think this is one of those cases where both manufacturers and authorities knows there will be extreme scrutiny and no room for error.