"You can’t hide secrets from the future with math. You can try, but I bet that in the future they laugh at the half-assed schemes and algorithms amassed to enforce cryptographs in the past."

Didn't expect to see Front on HN today, what a pleasant surprise.

The point about archeologists is a good one because it speaks to motive. In general, we should be very supportive of the efforts of distant historians who want to understand what humanity used to be like. We should not WANT to hide secrets from a sufficiently far future. I can't think of any secret that deserves to be hidden from them for any reason besides perhaps modesty.

Relatedly, that is a part of why I love the term "cryptoarcheology" in general, as a reminder that digital spaces will need archeologists too.

There's it's somewhat shortened form "cryptarch", generally more used as a title ("cryptoarcheologist"), which was used in places in the Quantum Thief trilogy of books and is most probably already burned into your brain if you have played any of the Destiny series of videogames (and I presume was heavily influenced by Quantum Thief).

Hmm, I thought cryptarch was just crypt + arch with the arch part meaning “leader” (i.e. this sense https://www.etymonline.com/word/arch-), not archaeologist. Is there something about this in the Quantum Thief trilogy I’ve forgotten?

It's been a bit since I read it, but I recall the meaning overlap/double meaning between leader -arch (such as plutarch) and arch- from archaeo- was directly intentional word play in the book trilogy, and yes that leader -arch meaning does add spice to the neologism.

(I don't think Destiny does much with the playful dual meaning, though. Certainly the cryptarchs in Destiny have never yet been meaningful leaders.)

What is considered sufficiently far future may change with life extension technology.

Well I would assume that as long as you live you'll keep updating your crypto as new tech comes out. That way the clock only starts ticking when you die.

Your encrypted communications, intercepted today, will be encrypted with today's standards. The clock is ticking now.

> Or 10 years from now it might be the next Linear A tablets

At some point in the future, after the universe has expanded to the extent that other galaxies are moving away from ours faster than the speed of light, someone might read our astronomy papers and wonder whether they can believe something that cannot be verified.

I always think of this as well. But it may not be so:

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-evidence-key-assumption-discov...

This biblical prophecy from Luke 12,3 is solo true: " What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs."

I wonder what the intended meaning is. I presume it has to do with a presumed eventual urge to confess.

It’s basically “don’t try to get fresh with God”. Which conveniently translates into a call to humility and honesty towards its earthly representatives.

In context, it appears to be saying "you can't keep secrets from God."

Ok but it implies/states that the secrets will be broadly divulged.

> You can't hide secrets from the future

With the usual disclaimer about one-time pads.

> other fun forms of entropy beyond encryption being cracked such as encodings changing, file formats falling out of service/compatibility, "common knowledge" about slang or memes lost to the ages leaving things indecipherable

I wonder what the digital archaeologists of the future will make of today's programming languages.

(I was going to point out how far we've come since the languages of yesteryear, but we still have such horror-shows as Perl and Bash.)