Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by sullyj3 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:39AM
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Ironic that that quote comes from someone who died in the year 180. If I got 2000 years of fame, I'd be pretty satisfied.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by ajdegol on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:12AM
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"If I got 2000 years of fame, I'd be pretty satisfied."
Actually, you'd wouldn't... be.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by ak39 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:49AM
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Marcus Aurelius is asking exactly how will that be of _use_? (Even when you’re alive)
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by throwawayhhakdl on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:03AM
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I don’t think the quote is particularly insightful. It’s nice to be praised and respected.
This one always felt on the mark to me
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by WilliamEdward on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:56AM
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Feeling better about yourself is not useful? Influencing a large number of people is not useful?
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by beaconstudios on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:34AM
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Marcus Aurelius being a writer on stoicism, I feel I have to point out that stoicism would suggest that you control how you feel about yourself and are only tying your feelings to external factors. You can feel good about yourself without external validation.
Influencing others is only practically useful in your lifetime, so posthumous fame doesn't really do you anything.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by _4ziu on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:01AM
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But it does other people good after i die, and i care about other people even after i die.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by beaconstudios on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:23AM
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but that's a different perspective - stoicism addresses the hedonism treadmill and how to get off of it (as well as how to respond to misery) - it isn't in opposition to charity or altruism. It's a totally different thing to try to have a great influence for posthumous fame and recognition, versus just trying to help people whether they know it was you or not.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by throwawayhhakdl on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:59AM
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How this reads to me:
“You can feel good about yourself eating tasteless food. Eating delicious food is only useful while you’re eating it, so once it’s consumed it doesn’t really do you anything”.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by everdrive on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:23AM
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Feeling better about yourself must never be a primary concern. It's true that you can't help but feeling good about your actions if they do good, but your ego should be be supressed as much as possible.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by thathndude on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:56AM
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Whoosh
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by _4ziu on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:56AM
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Frankly, a stupid quote.
"What good is praise except to make your lifestyle a little more comfortable"
That sounds pretty darn good to me.
And the fact that your memory and work can be passed down and influence a theoretically infinite number of people.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by AQuantized on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:27AM
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What good will that influence do you?
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by goatinaboat on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:49AM
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Right. It’s like some companies tell you they can’t pay you but it will be great “exposure” or whatever. At some point you need to convert whatever that is into something you can actually use.
Re:People Who Are Obsessed with Success and Prestige
by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:51PM
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Depends. If I care about others, and my influence does them good, that increases my happiness/joy/contentment/whatever, while I'm alive.
But suppose that those who remembered you were immortal and your memory undying. What good would it do you? And I don't just mean when you're dead, but in your own lifetime. What use is praise, except to make your lifestyle a little more comfortable?"
- Marcus Aurelius Antoninus