Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by Tenemo on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:41PM
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Your ruler is absolute distances, like the speed of light. You can inflate or deflate the balloon and the number of marks on its surface won't change. But the time required for the light to travel between them will.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by zaroth on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:18AM
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Stupid question - How do you know for certain it isn’t just that light is slowing down?
Relativity probably doesn’t work this way at all, but if light did actually slow down, would it be perceived by us as light moving at the same speed across a greater distance?
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by mdturnerphys on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:12AM
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I asked Ann Nelson (look her up) this when I audited her cosmology class in grad school, thinking I'd come up with a great new idea. She said yes, it's equivalent to the speed of light changing, and then moved on.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by simonh on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:12AM
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Bear in mind that time is not universal. For the speed of light to change over time, it would change at different rates for observers in different reference frames, and this difference would be measurable.
As to the previous question about relative size. If the universe doubled in size, the objects within it such as atoms don’t also double in size. Gravity and the atomic forces don’t change, so eg the size of stable electron orbits or planetary orbits don’t double in size.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by bananabreakfast on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:53PM
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Not exactly. Remember, we're not timing the light's transit. We're observing a redshift of it's frequency which could not be caused by c simply decreasing over time.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by pedrosorio on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:16AM
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Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by bananabreakfast on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:56PM
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It's incorrect to think with this analogy. There is no ruler reaching across the universe, growing with it.
It is not the meter that is growing, that's impossible. Instead you must see it as it is, which is that there are more meters continuously appearing in all of space.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by allovernow on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:44PM
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I think physical forces (electromagnetism, gravity, strong/weak nuclear) probably become weaker even though your metric (9 ticks) stays the same. I'm just guessing here, that's the only consequence I can think of.
That is to say, what is my ruler that is untethered to the surface of the balloon?