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Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by awb on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:42PM (#21975388)
> Is he implying that other cosmologists have proceeded as if dark energy is well evidenced?

I thought dark matter and dark energy are simply placeholders for a discrepancy we see between our models of the universe and our observations. No?

Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by MiroF on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:39PM (#21975835)
No - this article aside, most of the evidence suggests that this is matter that is actually there, not just an error term that we have added to our models.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by njarboe on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:24PM (#21976152)
This article is about dark energy, not dark matter. IANAC, but I think the evidence for the existence of dark matter is stronger than dark energy.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by MiroF on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:36AM (#21977229)
Yes, but the comment I'm replying to mentions dark matter.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by unlinked_dll on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:54PM (#21975515)
it's my understanding that dark matter is another word for the indirect observation of matter that we can't otherwise detect, through gravity. I don't know if calling it a placeholder is the proper parlance.

Dark energy is something predicted by general relativity and iirc it's what is behind the expansion of space (and acceleration of expansion).

Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by pdonis on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:00PM (#21975567)
> Dark energy is something predicted by general relativity

Not really. GR can accommodate it just fine, but GR did not predict it. In fact, Einstein, who originally introduced the cosmological constant (which was the term then for what we now call "dark energy") in order to allow a static solution to his equation, thereby missed the chance to predict that the universe was expanding, a decade before Hubble's observations showed that it was. Once it became clear that expanding models matched the data, and did not (then) require a cosmological constant to do so, Einstein dropped it, calling it "the biggest blunder of my life". Only in the 1990s, when evidence for accelerating expansion became available, was the cosmological constant (now called "dark energy") put back into the equations so they would match the data.

> it's what is behind the expansion of space (and acceleration of expansion)

The expansion itself, no. The acceleration, yes.

Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by galangalalgol on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:22PM (#21976504)
How much would the fate of the universe page on Wikipedia change with linear expansion? Do we have a bit longer before the stretch?
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar... by pdonis on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:08AM (#21977386)
I'm not sure what you mean by "linear expansion". If you mean that the rate of change of the scale factor with respect to time never changes at all, that is not possible except in the edge case of a universe containing zero matter or energy and zero cosmological constant. (This edge case is often called the Milne universe.) Which is obviously not the universe we live in.

If you just mean "no dark energy", i.e., the model that most cosmologists used before the 1990s when accelerating expansion was discovered, it wouldn't change the universe's long term fate very much. It would still expand forever and become more and more diluted; the expansion would just slow down forever instead of accelerating forever. There would be some differences as far as our observable universe--we would not eventually become isolated from all other galaxies and unable to see them--but that's about all.