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Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by microtherion on Thursday January 02, 2020 @05:14PM (#21940529)
I was thinking along the same lines. Any sizable company is going to have thousands of people quitting each year, and it would be exceedingly unlikely that none of these left on unfriendly terms.

"Why I left [FAANG of choice] / stopped using their products" is a staple of HN article titles.

But of course, none of this anecdotal evidence is proof that everything is FINE with these companies, either. Many of these complaints may be entirely justified.

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by mkolodny on Thursday January 02, 2020 @07:42PM (#21941724)
To be clear, I don't think the issue is that people leave Google on unfriendly terms. I think there are a few other issues:

- Once a for-profit company gets to a certain scale, you're going to have people who care more about profit than any original noble intentions (ex. "Make knowledge universally accessible"/"Don't be evil")

- At a certain size, no one person knows everything that's going on at the company. That makes it extremely difficult to make sure everyone is on the same page. It also makes it very hard to police everything that's happening

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by akhilcacharya on Thursday January 02, 2020 @06:24PM (#21941087)
Strangely I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Amazon one, save for Dan Vassalo which was more of a fatFIRE/entrepreneurial (folks, follow him on Twitter) article than just a stream of elitist, first world complaints.

I think I read one from Facebook that blamed the OP quitting on how parking worked (??)

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by jorblumesea on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:10PM (#21941946)
There's literally entire websites and hundreds of articles written by ex-employees and journalists about how badly Amazon treats its employees. I've never worked there so I can't say for certain, but "don't work for Amazon" it's pretty much a meme at this point.
Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by akhilcacharya on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:29PM (#21942074)
Oh? Then why do thousands of engineers do then?

Are you trying to imply something about them or am I reading too much into this?

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by jorblumesea on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:55PM (#21942268)
> Then why do thousands of engineers do then?

Ignorance of Amazon culture and practices, greed, visa issues, many don't believe it's as bad as it is until they experience it. Many use Amazon as a stepping stone because it looks good on your resume and will guarantee you an interview at most places. For the fulfillment centers folks and blue collar ops; desperation.

Retention for engineers is really low, some say as low as 12 months. So thousands work there, but many do not stay. Also the reason why their compensation is mostly in stock. They know you won't last.

This is all gleaned from friends who work there or have worked there. It's a place you want to be seen working, but doesn't work out for many.

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by pas on Friday January 03, 2020 @10:01AM (#21946393)
Plus it's not thaaat bad. (Eg. any big enterprise where IT is just a cost-center will be much worse.) Simply other FAANG places are more feely-goody.
Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by amznthrowaway5 on Friday January 03, 2020 @03:32AM (#21944236)
Tenure at Amazon is like a battle scar that proves you are tough.
Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by catalogia on Thursday January 02, 2020 @09:46PM (#21942607)
> 'Oh? Then why do thousands of engineers do then?'

Because they offered me more money than anybody else, and because I liked the mentor I had when I was an intern there. Not having to re-interview for a fulltime job after my internship was nice too. As to why I took the internship... because the money was good and I like ebooks. Not very good reasons, but those were my reasons.

(I've since quit, after readjusting my priorities in life.)

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by akhilcacharya on Thursday January 02, 2020 @10:38PM (#21942894)
Where'd you go after that then?
Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by krapht on Thursday January 02, 2020 @11:42PM (#21943238)
The gist of the articles I've read about Amazon is:

The Amazon department responsible for AWS is awesome to work in. Amazon, the online store, is terrible.

I get this sort of advice from all sorts of career posts. Try to avoid working at a place where IT is a cost-center, a thing grudgingly needed to support the actual business.

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by amznthrowaway5 on Friday January 03, 2020 @03:27AM (#21944216)
"The Amazon department responsible for AWS is awesome to work in. Amazon, the online store, is terrible."

This isn't true. People jump between both, including me. There is variance in the culture throughout the company but the culture Amazon is known for comes from the top and is similar in both orgs.

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by Buge on Thursday January 02, 2020 @09:53PM (#21942649)
>Then why do thousands of engineers do then?

Just because something is a meme doesn't mean it's true or true all the time.

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by a3n on Thursday January 02, 2020 @07:31PM (#21941633)
Did Amazon put nets on the building after that one guy jumped off?

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-share-thoug...

Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by trenning on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:00PM (#21941874)
No but they did promote his manager the next promo cycle. Just normal Amazon things.
Re:Google veterans: The company has become ‘unrecognizable’ by winrid on Friday January 03, 2020 @01:51AM (#21943853)
That's terrifying.