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Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by joshstrange on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:25PM (#21937423)
> "Oh my God, that was terrible! I can't be left with my brain like that!"

> "I had never before that experienced a weekend without my phone, essentially," Khobe told the BBC. "It was very weird for me."

I cannot take this article seriously at all. From the title, to the premise, to idea you have to go to Mongolia to get your kid to put down their phone and interact with you. You can go literally anywhere or nowhere (stay home) and have the exact same experience.

We can absolutely celebrate a father/son camping trip but the idea this is what parents have to do to pull their kids away from their phones is both false and clickbaity as hell.

> "When you're in a group of people and you're supposed to have social interaction time, but everyone's on their phone, that's when I've tried to change my habits," he says.

> "It's rude to not give people your undivided attention."

That's true, it is rude to not give people your undivided attention also if everyone in your "friend" group is on their phones the whole time and not paying attention then you might want to look for better friends...

Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by xwowsersx on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:31PM (#21937491)
I don't think the article suggested this is what parents have to do, but maybe I missed it.

I agree that this is a bit "extra", but you obviously haven't experienced what it's like for someone to have a crippling addiction to their smartphone.

This dad feeling like he had to do something extreme is probably not ill-founded. Sometimes people have to pull out all the stops to accomplish something, especially when dealing with an addict (that's what interventions are). Staying at home could have worked, but much harder when you have to trust and rely on the son using his phone responsibly. The dad just avoided all the pitfalls by doing something extreme. Agreed that it's extra, but I think you're dismissing this hastily.

Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by DougN7 on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:53PM (#21938418)
Agree completely. I personally know an otherwise normal healthy teenage girl that cries and can’t sleep at night from anxiety if she doesn’t have her phone. I think there are many more people like this than we realize.
Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by xwowsersx on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:55PM (#21938446)
Yeah. I myself dismissed concerns that people have expressed because I tend to be suspicious of alarmism. But there is a real problem, a real addiction. Sure, it might not be the same as a chemical addiction to alcohol or something, but that doesn't make it any less real. I've seen firsthand how relationships have been destroyed, in large part, due to smartphone addiction.
Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by r00fus on Thursday January 02, 2020 @02:43PM (#21938969)
> From the title, to the premise, to idea you have to go to Mongolia to get your kid to put down their phone and interact with you.

Exactly. I mean, go to a national or state park and you will likely be out of cell range.

Also - if that family had T-Mobile, likely they would have had free data coverage in Mongolia (perhaps not where they went).

https://www.t-mobile.com/coverage/roaming?icid=WMM_TM_U_18IN...

Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by thrwaway69 on Thursday January 02, 2020 @02:08PM (#21938597)
I wrote about the same yesterday. Prevention is always better but if it's too late, understanding addiction is important before you go grabbing his phone and throw it away in a reactionary way. Addiction usually comes as a consequence of something else wrong with your life - could be your "friends", school/home or expectations.

I remember it was hard to make friends with similar interest in school due to the secluded rural area. I couldn't fit in and I wasn't willing to (parenting might have eased here). I had "friends", everyone believed that and I did too but I didn't interact beyond the usual classes and was isolated emotionally. It was hard to open up and I resorted to online silos where I could talk freely and was emotionally rewarded. It was addicting because even if I had friends irl, I wasn't getting any reward from talking to them. My brain didn't register it. I didn't like them but I couldn't move places or have new friends somehow that were more aligned with my interest. It was an inevitable escape.

[1] Role of lifestyle in substance addiction

[2] Problems arising from smartphone addiction

[3] Alternate to blaming smartphones for addiction

[4] General overview and tips on smartphone addiction

1) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4326198/

2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6449671/

3) https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.0014...

4) https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/reading-between-the-...

self plug) https://notably.cc/#/note?id=oz9fMjsOa

Edit: Tried to make links descriptive. No markdown for links :(

Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by mirekrusin on Thursday January 02, 2020 @04:21PM (#21939975)
When you take a selfie with your phone when being "off the phone" at your house people will laugh, when you take selfie with the phone "you're off from" in Mongolia, people won't notice and click like.
Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by higeyuki on Thursday January 02, 2020 @02:22PM (#21938717)
I remember the article saying he had wanted to go to Mongolia all along and that this was an added bonus to his experience.

>"For a long time, he had dreamed of traveling across Mongolia on a bike. Now that his son was older, why not do it with him?"

The article even says that you do not have to go to Mongolia to do this.

>"You don't have to go all to the other side of the world just to bond with your children, says Caroline Knorr, the parenting editor for Common Sense Media, a non-profit organization that educates parents about media and technology."

Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by vanusa on Thursday January 02, 2020 @03:46PM (#21939627)
I cannot take this article seriously at all.

Me neither. It's basically junk news, designed to soak up attention cycles. And keep us tapping for more, more, more.

That is to say: part of the same (broader) problem it is ostensibly decrying.

Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by austincheney on Thursday January 02, 2020 @05:10PM (#21940483)
What proved effective for me to get my daughter off her phone was bouncing it off the driveway.
Re:Dad takes son to Mongolia to get him off his phone by asdfasgasdgasdg on Thursday January 02, 2020 @01:47PM (#21938350)
It also seems weird for the BBC to (apparently) celebrate this and also to constantly have articles about the dangers of climate change. (The connection of course is that international flights to Mongolia are terrible from a carbon emissions standpoint.) I recognize that this particular author might not be concerned about the climate, but it is still striking how dissonant the overall editorial voice is.