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Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by IgorPartola on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @08:34AM (#21927929)
If not for religious groups, we could have had World Calendar and all this would be unnecessary: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Calendar.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by whiddershins on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:34AM (#21928384)
We not just have 13 months of 28 days each?

This would make the days of the week always cycle synchronously with the days of the month.

Then you have one day left over for New Years and that extra Leap Day every 4 years that your linked calendar proposes.

If you are going to redo something like a calendar, ending up still having different length months and weeks that drift against them seems like a non-victory.

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by ixwt on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @03:28PM (#21930388)
The primary reason is that 13 is prime. 12 is a better number in this case for a few reasons.

12 is what we already have. So nothing would have to change in that regard. We could keep the names as they are, despite the fact they are out of order as it is.

I used to think the same way, but after seeing this calendar, it would be easier to integrate this into what we currently have, just the amount of days have changed.

And, this calendar would work well with businesses. Most businesses are based on quarters. Not that it is significantly more difficult to track 13 weeks (they would be static after all), the pushback would be less, arguably.

And the world calendar is cyclical, just on a quarterly scale, rather than a monthly scale. I'd argue the monthly cycle makes more sense. But the math of the Earth's rotation doesn't make for a nice calendar.

I feel the world calendar would be easier to integrate, and a little nicer (I am a huge advocate for base 12 anyway, that's always been a big hangup for me for the international fixed calendar).

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by hu3 on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @11:09AM (#21928596)
Your's is a much simpler calendar than the others I've seen proposed.

It's also so obvious. Not sure how I missed it. I'm stealing the idea. It shall be named whiddershins' calendar.

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by azhenley on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @11:30AM (#21928745)
It’s already named the International Fixed Calendar :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by triclops200 on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @11:30AM (#21928743)
It's been proposed before, see: International Fixed Calendar
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by shwoopdiwoop on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:39AM (#21928408)
Starting the week on a Sunday seems to be a very american centric view for a ‘World’ Calendar. I get that it has to start on _a_ day but don’t see how a consensus could be reached here.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by hu3 on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @03:14PM (#21930272)
Not to mention that the ISO says Monday is day 1 of the week:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by IgorPartola on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @04:37PM (#21930853)
But what is day 0? :)
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by irrational on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @11:22AM (#21928679)
If not for people, we could have had a World Calendar? A majority of the earth’s population are religious, so you can pretty easily substitute people for religious groups.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by IgorPartola on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @04:39PM (#21930866)
The point is that specific religious groups opposed it because it would break the seven day cycle of worship, leaving room for the Devil (insert evil laugh here). Reasonable people pointed out that it would leave people with the choice to worship on an extra holiday, but religion and personal choice don’t get along so in the end religious zealots won out.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by env123 on Friday January 10, 2020 @11:22AM (#22012049)
A majority of the earth’s population say they are religious, for cultural/social/safety reasons.

The point is that specific religious leaders would oppose it because it would stop them from controlling the population. I doubt there are religious zealots in this age and era.

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by bmn__ on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @03:45PM (#21930501)
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by chrisseaton on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @11:00AM (#21928540)
Why does the week start on a Sunday in that calendar?
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by bonoboTP on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @12:01PM (#21928955)
In some countries Sunday is considered the first day of the week, which is quite strange for me, as here it's Monday.

Do Americans, for example, feel like "a new week has started" on Sunday morning? For me Saturday and Sunday feel as one block, it's weird to imagine a separation in there.

But perhaps someone who grows up with that calendar feels like Saturday is end-of-the-week winding down, and Sunday is a start-of-the-fresh-week "warmup" day.

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by vinay427 on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @05:40PM (#21931237)
American and even I've never understood why Sunday is considered the first day on some calendars. It has always, in my experience, been considered a weekend day and you would think that the "weekend" is at the end of the week, and Monday has long been the default start of a work or school week.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by heyoni on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:05AM (#21928273)
Yea nope. Leap days not having a weekday? How would that even work?
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by GavinMcG on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:27AM (#21928352)
Instead of just dumping the first thought that comes through your head on us, could you explain why you think it wouldn't work? What issues do you see arising?

It seems to me we go through life with little exceptional circumstances all the time, and go right back to normal pretty easily.

Is it that hard to imagine having a holiday not disrupting the weekly rhythm of your life? For example, there's a group I go to every Wednesday. But since Christmas and New Year's are both Wednesdays, it's being skipped two weeks in a row. On the other hand, if Christmas and New Year's "didn't count" then we could carry on without changing the schedule, getting in the way of other standing plans, etc.

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by heyoni on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:50AM (#21928474)
Because that's all I've got and I haven't really given it much more thought than my initial gut reaction. It just seems infinitely bizarre not to have a weekday, and writing about it now seems like it would make synchronizing and automation hell with a day like that.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by Rerarom on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:51AM (#21935304)
There's more to life than synchronizing and automation.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by heyoni on Thursday January 02, 2020 @11:40AM (#21936867)
That's the least warranted, holier than though sentence I've ever read here on HN. I don't even know where to begin to pick this apart. It's not about enabling automation in the factory making sense, it's about keeping order in our minds and in our software...and having an "oopsie" blank day with no way to logically derive will do more to fuck with your intuition about time and calendars than having everything else around it neatly fit. Even something as simple as counting days on your hands will become wholly unintuitive because you now have to consider something worse than an edge-case.

But go ahead, make this about how narrow-minded my view on life is. Arguments like this are why wishy-washy calendar ideas like the one being proposed got blown to bits and relegated to a single page wikipedia article barely worth the occasional mention.

Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by Rerarom on Thursday January 02, 2020 @12:43PM (#21937650)
Come on, I don't disagree with you. But when I was a kid and I first found out about calendar proposals with blank days it all seemed magical to me and it just seems weird to me (with regard to this topic) to think about practicalities.
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by GavinMcG on Thursday January 02, 2020 @04:46PM (#21940245)
How on earth is it impossible to logically derive a Leap Day every four years in a consistent spot, especially compared to any other calendaring we already do?
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by Rerarom on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @10:25AM (#21928340)
Simple - they don't have a weekday :)
Re:Calculate the day of the week for any date in your head by rhizome on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @12:00PM (#21928944)
Every once in a while there would be a day called Leap Day.