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Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by reaperducer on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @04:29PM (#21924879)
a) The great majority of the population who perceives a salary not needing to file taxes.

In the United States, and many other nations, the vast majority of taxes aren't collected from payroll. If that was the case, things would be easy. But there are hundreds of other ways that taxes are collected, and they vary from person to person.

More importantly, taxes aren't exclusively about revenue generation. They're used to encourage people to do or not do things: Save money, invest money, buy houses, have babies, buy cars, add solar panels, and thousands of other things.

There are plenty of people who shout "flat tax!" whenever this topic comes up. But they're mostly people who have only led simple lives where the IRS only touches them on their paycheck, or who don't understand the full range of how taxes are used.

Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by naniwaduni on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @10:49PM (#21926528)
> They're used to encourage people to do or not do things:

They might be better if this were the goal if people could actual interpret what they're being encouraged to do!

Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by syshum on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @11:56PM (#21926727)
Or people do understand how taxes are used and fundementaly disagree that taxes should be used for those purposes

Taxes sole purpose should be to collect money to provide services, Nothing else

they should not be used to socially engineer the society the way the government sees fit, that is not a free society or a functioning democracy/republic at that point

Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by Sabinus on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @12:15AM (#21926766)
Australia gives tax cuts if you have a family with children. (Family tax benefit part A and B). Do you think that's unacceptable social engineering?
Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by layoutIfNeeded on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @12:43AM (#21926831)
That’s ok, because by having children you provide a service to the state (i.e. ensuring its existence in the long run).
Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @04:20AM (#21927351)
But this argument can be trivially extended to all other "social engineering" taxes. Vice taxes make you drink or smoke less? You're reducing state's expenses on healthcare, law enforcement and social services. Tax benefits for installing photovoltaics or buying electric cars? You're helping to improve the quality of life, again saving state on healthcare, and in the future, on various forms of crisis management once the climate issues start taking their toll in full.

(FWIW, I'm generally in favor of this kind of "social engineering" when done by democracies.)

Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by syshum on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @08:35AM (#21927932)
Yes, Why should a person the choose not to have children be punished by the state with higher taxes for their choice?
Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by anoncake on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @08:39AM (#21927945)
If having children benefits society those who choose to do that should be rewarded.
Re:IRS Reforms Free File Program, Drops Agreement Not to Com... by anoncake on Wednesday January 01, 2020 @08:41AM (#21927952)
A democracy doesn't stop being democratic because you don't like the outcome. If a democratic government performs social engineering, the people socially engineers itself.