The Decade of Swift

Re:The Decade of Swift by 6700417 on Monday December 30, 2019 @07:17PM (#21917908)

TIOBE’s methodology and rankings seem very dubious to me. When was the last time you met someone who primarily programs in C? (I was one of those people for 14 years, but that was a while ago).

Red Monk seems much closer to reality: https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2019/07/18/language-rankings-6-1...

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Re:The Decade of Swift by saagarjha on Monday December 30, 2019 @07:34PM (#21918013)

TIOBE is probably not worth looking too much at, but a number of embedded engineers use C almost exclusively. They’re just not all that visible :)

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Re:The Decade of Swift by panpanna on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @03:01AM (#21919623)

> When was the last time you met someone who primarily programs in C?

I am sorry to say, you live in a bubble.

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Re:The Decade of Swift by 6700417 on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @03:27AM (#21919699)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:The Decade of Swift by lykr0n on Monday December 30, 2019 @08:11PM (#21918194)

There are worlds of software developers outside of the Startup sphere.

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Re:The Decade of Swift by 6700417 on Monday December 30, 2019 @09:58PM (#21918628)

I’ve never worked at a startup. I know very few people who have been involved in the startup world. I have exclusively used C and C++ in my professional work (with a tiny bit of python for scripting).

Yet I haven’t know anybody who primarily or even occasionally used C in their work for over a decade. I know they exist but the majority of C programmers moved on to C++ a long time ago.

There are areas like kernel and driver development where C is still in widespread use but these jobs represent a tiny fraction of developers.

Any language popularity metric that ranks C as the second most popular language is massively flawed.

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Re:The Decade of Swift by codr7 on Monday December 30, 2019 @11:36PM (#21918980)

Except the entire world runs on top of C and will continue to do so for quite some time, it's not all about new or user facing projects.

Linux is pretty popular.

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Re:The Decade of Swift by 6700417 on Monday December 30, 2019 @11:49PM (#21919039)

The world running on top of C and Linux being popular have nothing to do with this. Have you looked at what TIOBE claims to measure? They very specifically say it’s not about the number of lines of existing code. It’s supposed to be a measure of the popularity of the language.

From their site (https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/):

“The TIOBE Programming Community index is an indicator of the popularity of programming languages. The index is updated once a month. The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors. Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings. It is important to note that the TIOBE index is not about the best programming language or the language in which most lines of code have been written.”

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Re:The Decade of Swift by pjmlp on Tuesday December 31, 2019 @05:35AM (#21920117)

C compiled with compilers and standard library written in C++.

My world runs on top of C++.

C is only relevant on constrained embedded hardware and FOSS UNIX clones.

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