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Re:ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar by mdszy on Monday December 30, 2019 @02:59PM (#21916156)
You can't prove a negative.
Re:ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar by nkrisc on Monday December 30, 2019 @03:28PM (#21916397)
They said "prove" but really it's about trust. Google has lost many peoples' trust and it's on Google to restore that trust.
Re:ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar by fulldecent2 on Monday December 30, 2019 @09:55PM (#21918617)
Sure you can. Apple does not run its image classification on your images using its cloud servers. You can test this by stepping inside a microwave or other cage and seeing that image classification and search still works on the iPhone.

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On the other hand, what Apple does with your photos that you allow to be exfiltrated through iCloud... that's your own stupid fault.

Re:ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar by dredmorbius on Monday December 30, 2019 @09:05PM (#21918423)
We're not talking about mathematical or scientific levels of proof, but assurance and trust.

The usual methods for achieving this are government regulation and oversight (free of capture), and independent third-party audits (likewise).

The good news is that there seems to be ... some, slight ... progress in this direction.

Re:ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar by rgbrgb on Monday December 30, 2019 @03:11PM (#21916258)
You definitely can [0], but this one would probably be hard for google without significantly modifying the architecture of gmail in ways that would remove its revenue model. For example, they could open source a client that had audit-able end-to-end encryption, but then they couldn't optimize ad revenue by aggregating and mining large email datasets.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_impossibility

Re:ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar by mdszy on Monday December 30, 2019 @03:47PM (#21916566)
> a proof demonstrating that a particular problem cannot be solved as described in the claim, or that a particular set of problems cannot be solved in general

did you even read the article you linked

Re:ProtonMail takes aim at Google with an encrypted calendar by rgbrgb on Monday December 30, 2019 @05:53PM (#21917423)
Apologies, I thought you were saying that you can't prove a negative... that negative proofs (like the examples linked) do not exist.