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Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by cellularmitosis on Friday December 27, 2019 @06:52PM (#21895923)
For a physical device (ie featured-locked upon shipping), “support” amounts to paying the server bill, which is likely negligible.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jacquesm on Friday December 27, 2019 @07:14PM (#21896047)
That's the problem right there, for a hardware manufacturer post shipping there shouldn't be a server.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by bathtub365 on Friday December 27, 2019 @09:07PM (#21896561)
They run a routing/cross-auth system so you can stream from other IP-based audio services directly to your speakers. They aren’t entirely a hardware company and those integrations are a value-add for a lot of consumers. I think you should be able to run them in some kind of offline mode, though.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by ClumsyPilot on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:16AM (#21897263)
Or it could be smart enough to communicate with my computer directly, and have my credentials onboard, the way my NAS or router does.

Devices that used to be smart way before all this "dumb home" stuff appeared.

Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by greyhair on Thursday January 02, 2020 @07:58AM (#21934978)
Logitech Squeeze players also had Squeeze network, which cost nothing, and is still in service today.

You can put a DAC on a RPi, install squeezeplayer, and attach to the squeeze network for free today. I have done that exact thing in the last six months.

Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jacquesm on Friday December 27, 2019 @09:55PM (#21896729)
Even that does not require a server for the speakers to connect to owned by Sonos.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by bathtub365 on Friday December 27, 2019 @10:16PM (#21896817)
That’s true, but running and maintaining one is outside the expertise of most people.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by tlb on Saturday December 28, 2019 @12:51AM (#21897397)
They at least need an update server so they can receive security patches. Once you need that, it's a slippery slope to depending on lots of things in the cloud.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jacquesm on Saturday December 28, 2019 @09:54AM (#21899172)
Synology gets that right.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by tomc1985 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:35AM (#21897679)
Why are these devices so complex as to need security updates?
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by ben-schaaf on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:22AM (#21897818)
Because they're connected to the internet. Because IoT.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by colejohnson66 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @02:23PM (#21901069)
To expand on that: security. Without security updates, your devices could be hacked.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by tomc1985 on Saturday December 28, 2019 @03:03PM (#21901372)
Horrible stuff.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jhillyerd on Friday December 27, 2019 @07:21PM (#21896087)
Not true, Sonos works in a mesh, so all Sonos devices need to talk to each other, and to the controller app on phone or PC.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jiofih on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:31AM (#21897513)
Absolutely doable over local network only.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jdnenej on Saturday December 28, 2019 @04:49AM (#21898094)
Local only doesn't allow Sonos to record everything you do and disable your device when they decide it's time for you to buy a new one.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by kodachi on Friday December 27, 2019 @09:05PM (#21896557)
Would be great if you could use your own server, and that the server code was open.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jjav on Sunday December 29, 2019 @09:45PM (#21910372)
That's why I stick with the squeezebox ecosystem.

Open source server which runs locally. The hardware is long since discontinued (but plentiful and easily available on craigslist etc) and it can never be obsoleted as everything runs locally.

Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by greyhair on Thursday January 02, 2020 @08:06AM (#21935026)
Plus Squeeze Network (still free, still working) for Pandora, Spotify, or other network services.

Have you tried squeezeplayer on a RPi with a DAC? It works great. I have one alongside my original Squuezebox. They sync perfectly for multiroom audio.

With a DAC, it runs fine on a Zero. Cheap.

Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by vineyardmike on Sunday December 29, 2019 @04:35PM (#21908670)
It would be great if they gave the hardware away for free too. But alas, the evil company wanted to make money. Those pirates.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by jacquesm on Friday December 27, 2019 @10:01PM (#21896750)
And that's how it should have been.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by o-__-o on Saturday December 28, 2019 @01:53AM (#21897570)
Let’s make an open source Sonos clone and call it Fauxnos. It can be powered by a raspberry pi integrated into a speaker running mpd.

Who wants to join my git repo?

Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by wiml on Saturday December 28, 2019 @04:55AM (#21898112)
I've been running that system for a few years (with control via MALP or ncmpc mostly). Works pretty well.
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by o-__-o on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:50AM (#21899911)
do you have a keybase.io ID? I’m going to kick this off as my first 2020 project
Re:Sonos's “recycle mode” intentionally bricks devices so th... by hultner on Saturday December 28, 2019 @06:21PM (#21902535)
I’ve been doing it with ROAP, RTSP & MPD on a rPI for the past ≈5 years, I call it Cantus.