Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore principles of design (2015)

Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by dahfizz on Sunday December 22, 2019 @10:57PM (#21861390)

You've missed the point. For Macs, the mouse is the pedals of the car because you absolutely need the mouse yo do basic things. On my Linux setup, I could do just fine without a mouse because I have multiple ways of doing the things I need to do

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Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by Razengan on Monday December 23, 2019 @11:11AM (#21864570)

> On my Linux setup, I could do just fine without a mouse because I have multiple ways of doing the things I need to do

On your Linux setup, could you do just fine without a mouse AND without a keyboard?

Why is it OK for the keyboard to be an essential required device but a mouse should be optional?

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Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by dahfizz on Friday December 27, 2019 @05:44PM (#21895430)

A keyboard is not strictly required either. You can use an on screen keyboard with a mouse, text to speech, etc. And on anything that doesn't require text input, it's easy to avoid the keyboard.

The key is flexiblity. On Linux, I could avoid my mouse or my keyboard or my entire graphical desktop if I wanted to and still be productive. Macs don't have that flexibility.

I single out a mouse because it is a very low information density device. It doesn't really do much, so it is the low hanging fruit. Whether a mouse is required by an OS is like a litmus test of "can the user configure the OS the way they want, or does the OS dictate how the user will use it"

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Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by Razengan on Saturday December 28, 2019 @11:41PM (#21903987)

Computers didn't always have visual displays either; shouldn't they always be able to work with paper printouts?

Requiring a mouse and assuming it to always be present is not a bad thing; it's progress.

macOS has good accessibility features, so you can set it up to use it without a mouse if you really need to.

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Re:Apple's products are getting harder to use, ignore princi... by paulcole on Sunday December 22, 2019 @11:48PM (#21861542)

Yep, this is why so many cars come with a backup set of pedals in case the first set is disabled in a prank. Great to have multiple ways of doing the things that need to be done.

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