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Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by bhouston on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:22AM (#21843913)
So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei. That should scare the shit out of the US government. It means that China is much more self-sufficient in technology than they figured.

The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit. I suspect OSes and architectural chip designs are one of the last things that China hasn't really developed home grown in a successful way, but it is likely next. Thus taking on directly Microsoft Windows, Android, ARM and Intel.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by yorwba on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:13AM (#21844221)
> So the US sanctions on Huawei, that were intended to be crippling and were fairly abrupt and harsh, had only a minor effect on Huawei.

Of course they had only a minor effect, since they were always postponed to some future date. [1] The sanctions weren't intended to be crippling and harsh, but to threaten becoming crippling and harsh unless China makes certain concessions. So long as the concessions remain on the table, the sanctions remain off the table.

[1] Currently February 16, 2020 apparently: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/news/us-government-postpo...

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by kube-system on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:05PM (#21846077)
The US government was never primarily concerned about handsets sales or technical superiority.

The primary issue has always been a concern of supply-chain governance for critical infrastructure, i.e. carriers networks. The US doesn't have any of these concerns about European 5G equipment manufacturers because they are close allies. The US has a high degree of confidence that the governments of Sweden and Finland aren't going to pressure Nokia or Ericsson to compromise the support or supply-chain of US 5G infrastructure.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by ses1984 on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:03AM (#21844145)
I thought the sanctions on Huawei were about stopping the penetration of Chinese devices into American networks and businesses for security reasons.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by jdsully on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:10AM (#21844204)
The official reason is that they exported US tech to Iran. But its pretty obvious the whole thing is political. Even trump contradicted the official reason a day later.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by jacquesm on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:21AM (#21844284)
> Even trump contradicted the official reason a day later.

It would by now be more worrying if he didn't.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by sct202 on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:07AM (#21844175)
The original sanction charge on Huawei was for selling American equipment to Iran, and all the financial transactions related to hiding that. Stealing trade secrets and patent infringement is usually fine and a block on specific products and were tacked on later.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by spamizbad on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:59AM (#21845527)
That might have been one of the stated reasons. But I think it was protect the profit margins of several well-connected US Manufacturers notorious for expensive, high margin equipment.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by kube-system on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:51PM (#21845955)
If that were the case, wouldn't Ericsson and Nokia also be on the naughty list?
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by fredmorcos on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:11AM (#21844207)
That's what they tell you.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by LatteLazy on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:26AM (#21844802)
No one has actually managed to find and actual security reasons not to accept Huawei devices. There were some really poorly informed stories that listed standard features (telnet support in routers) and tried to play them up as a sinister commie plot but they were all pretty laughable. Most countries (for instance here in the UK) assess infrastructure equipment, providers can only buy from the approved and have for decades. Huawei always passed those tests with flying colours.

But I guess "chinese spies eat telecoms babies" is a much more dramatic headline...

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by matthewdgreen on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:05AM (#21845109)
It's important not to shift the goalposts. Western security establishments are concerned that once Huawei has overwhelming marketshare in systems like 5G networks, they will have the ability to use these against target nations. They (at least the credible agencies) are not claiming that current Huawei devices are backdoored now.

Even if you believe the worst about China and Huawei, it wouldn't make the slightest bit of strategic sense for them to implant backdoors into products now, when marketshare is still small and growing rapidly. You'd add the backdoors once you had network dominance, like the US did.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by ses1984 on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:39AM (#21844920)
Sure, backdoors will slip under security audits, until one day they're revealed and you find out you've been pwnt all along.

I don't think the US is innocent either, of course tech that we use internally and export is probably backdoored out the wazoo.

I would rather assume almost everything I use is backdoored one way or another, and operate that assumption, rather than assume the opposite to be true and be wrong.

It's not a dramatic headline. Governments spying on each other and their citizens is the boring default state of the things.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by yorwba on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:48AM (#21845446)
> Huawei always passed those tests with flying colours.

Those tests have usually identified several issues, and Huawei has been slow to address them. For example, one of the conclusions of the 2019 report [1] was that "No material progress has been made on the issues raised in the previous 2018 report" Some of these issues are known vulnerabilities in old versions of dependencies like OpenSSL that Huawei has forked and then neglected to update.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/huawei-cyber-secu...

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by remir on Friday December 20, 2019 @02:39PM (#21846783)
The future of high technology at this time does seem to be in the hands of China with the rest of the world contributing a bit.

I highly doubt this. So far, what China has done is producing lower cost equivalent to products already developed by other nations. I don't see how China is leading the pack in terms of innovation, here.

Beside, I don't think we can consider smart phones to be "high technology" anymore. The market is saturated with them and the innovation has slowed down massively since a couple of years ago.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by bhouston on Friday December 20, 2019 @07:04PM (#21848511)
I have heard this refrain from those in the west for decades about china. During those two decades China has exceeded every attempt to keep them at a certain level of development.

I do not see that stopping.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by remir on Friday December 20, 2019 @07:23PM (#21848628)
When China will invent game changing technology that benefit the world in a massive way, then we'll be able to say they're leaders.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by balls187 on Friday December 20, 2019 @02:01PM (#21846555)
> That should scare the shit out of the US government.

The US outspends the next 7 countries in defense, combined.

Regarding actual economic sanctions are a very effective weapon in US Foreign policy.

Aside from it's military might, the US is one of the biggest players in the global economic market. That allows it to wield incredible leverage.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by ci5er on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:40PM (#21846416)
The handset business is mouse nuts economically and nobody cares at any level of national security what idiot consumers do to themselves.

The "National Security" concern (economically, technologically, capability and integrity-wise) is at the carrier level. Think Cisco, not iPhone.

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by Hydraulix989 on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:43AM (#21844034)
This posting's article also had a side bar link to a suggested article on the same news site, CN Tech Post. China is releasing its own OS, too (Unity OS -- UOS):

https://cntechpost.com/2019/12/13/china-made-operating-syste...

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by gman83 on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:01AM (#21844135)
It's just a rebranded version of Deepin Linux.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by yorwba on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:22AM (#21844286)
Which is Debian with a custom Qt-based desktop environment.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by gardaani on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:16AM (#21845196)
Their plan is to replace foreign PCs and software in all government offices and public institutions in three years. It means replacing 20-30 million PCs! That will definitely also accelerate the OS development. https://www.ft.com/content/b55fc6ee-1787-11ea-8d73-6303645ac...
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by ForHackernews on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:04AM (#21844153)
> It has perfect functions, smooth experience and stable quality.

Sounds flawless...

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by LatteLazy on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:22AM (#21844779)
When the sanctions came out, I was surprised that Apple and Google DIDNT go nuclear. It seems pretty obvious that the nation of China won't just voluntarily give up all it's western smart phones. So the only other medium term alternative would be to begin work on a domestic OS. Apple and Google (and the US economy and tech sector by extension) are the big losers from that, China the big gainer.

It's not quite Tin Foil Hat time, but I also wondered: if the chinese government had tried to ban foreign OSs and force a homegrown equivalent it would have been resisted at home and abroad it would have spurred (real) sanctions and possibly upset the (lucrative, strategically valuable) hardware supply chain.

Trump doing it was a great way for the Chinese government to get what it wanted without looking like the bad guy (it might even be able to play the victim, especially at home).

Given the predictability of these outcomes, one has to wonder: was Trump incompetent (he expected a different outcome) or was he serving a different agenda (maybe a trump hotel in Beijing is about to be approved?).

Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by sidibe on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:11AM (#21845156)
Google has little to lose from Chinese sanctions and probably gains from competitors being hurt.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by ehnto on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:33AM (#21843969)
The leverage the US has over China is in manufacturing anyway. Huawei sanctions were a red herring.
Re:Huawei expected to surpass Apple to become world’s No 2 p... by nrp on Friday December 20, 2019 @11:44AM (#21845423)