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Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by userbinator on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:32PM (#21776738)
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I can't say I find "Instagram Face" to be attractive at all. It looks ridiculously unnatural, and evokes the same feeling as those ultra-SEO'd mostly contentless sites that flood search results.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by addicted44 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:50PM (#21776922)
I wonder if that's true for people who end up spending more time on Instagram than elsewhere, and start finding the IG Face to be more "natural" and get weirded out when they see people with wrinkles and stuff.

I'm assuming here that "natural" is a result of what you (and I, since I feel similarly) are just used to.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by CM30 on Friday December 13, 2019 @05:39AM (#21780560)
I agree with this. What's seen as natural definitely appears to be a result of what you're used to.

What's more, it's not just visual traits either. No, I suspect a lot of people feel an American accent is the 'norm' now as well, in part due to how much popular media originates in the US (and how many internet influencers seem to be from there).

And there are definitely quite a few stories of people assuming their own country/culture works like the US/Europe/wherever based on what media they watch and who they follow online.

Could be interesting to see a study about this stuff.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by wreath on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:30AM (#21779342)
> and get weirded out when they see people with wrinkles and stuff.

Well someday they will have to look around them and see people with wrinkles... in real life.. unless they are too hooked to their phones to even realize this.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by neuralRiot on Friday December 13, 2019 @03:43PM (#21785260)
>Well someday they will have to look around them and see people with wrinkles... in real life..

Yeah it’s called “getting old” and one of the beauties of it is not caring for what others think about you or needing that acceptance feeling.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by dwighttk on Friday December 13, 2019 @05:55AM (#21780629)
AR facetune will save them.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by zo1 on Friday December 13, 2019 @06:04AM (#21780654)
You probably said that tongue in cheek, but that's probably where we're headed. People value their social media intensely, and the combination of the two will naturally happen as a consequence of VR/AR becoming ubiquitous in our lives.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by filoleg on Friday December 13, 2019 @06:12PM (#21786486)
A bit of a side-topic, but I believe there are even more interesting consequences/applications of future AR when it comes to looks.

Why bother with only "fixing" certain things about your looks, whereas you can look like something/someone completely different? With AR advanced enough, I believe we will get to the point of multiple "realities" overlaid on top of the real one, which opens doors for so many interesting possibilities and applications. Don't like that pesky skyscraper blocking view of the lake from your apt? Luckily, there is a reality server you can subscribe to that has it removed. Or another reality server that acts like ad-block for real life.

When the AR tech matures and gets in the hands of an average person, I expect life to change in such a crazy way, that changes brought by wide smartphone adoption will look like a tiny blip in comparison.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by sangnoir on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:50PM (#21784234)
That would be an interesting twist on purchasing "cosmetic skins" IRL-ish (or more likely, monthly subscription. "For $5/mo more, you get our no gray-hair add-on"
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday December 13, 2019 @05:23PM (#21786166)
I can't help but feel like that's so incredibly dystopian.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by ydb on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:45PM (#21779009)
Agreed. Most of my friend group (women in their late 20s and early 30s) make this face and it just appalls me. I think Baudrillard's conception of simulacra & simulation [1] is the perfect vehicle for understanding the "uncanny valley" effect this creates.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by Der_Einzige on Friday December 13, 2019 @02:19AM (#21779747)
Baudrillard is a hack of epic proportions. He's an example of the worst kind of French psudo-intellectualism almost on par with Lacan or Deleuze. Actually, bro the gulf war happened! And most of the book you linked is full of utter nonsense and crankery. His review of JG Ballard's novel "Crash" was the only good chapter in the whole book. Just because it was in the matrix doesn't mean that it described our world accurately at all. It's nothing but fashionable nonsense.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by ydb on Friday December 13, 2019 @02:27AM (#21779779)
That's rich coming from somebody who's username is literally Der Einzige. :) It's hard to believe you deign to label Baudrillard a crank yet identify enough with Stirner to make the title of his most well-known work your nom de plume

Edit: See this [1] lovely video to learn why it's a common misconception that his work has any relevancy to the Matrix franchise beyond superficial pop philosophy.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf9J35yzM3E

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by Der_Einzige on Friday December 13, 2019 @02:40AM (#21779814)
Stirner, and the rest of the German young hegelians, are far more coherent and interesting than French post modernists. They also don't engage in any type of fashionable nonsense.

Stirner also doesn't advocate for his ideas on the basis of anything except self interest. The "dialectical" Frenchies will tell you a far different story about why you should agree with them.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by ydb on Friday December 13, 2019 @02:51AM (#21779867)
> coherent

That I can agree with you on. It is certainly dense material that frightens away those unwilling to be linguistically challenged when reading a book.

> interesting

Absolutely not. Look, I get Stirner is neat for being a proto-anarchist and all, but his value ends there. You seem preoccupied with the "fashion" of it (which itself raises questions) instead of with the philosophy being discussed. Engage with the ideas instead of resorting to this rhetorical BS that we both know you're pulling.

For example, your point that Stirner grounds his philosophy merely in self-interest -- what exactly does that prove? That his ideas are derivative and trite? I understand that Baudrillard's writing is a tough nut to crack, but to think that his work (and the rest of the French canon) is irrelevant because it requires more than egotism as its foundation is absurd.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by voldacar on Friday December 13, 2019 @04:34AM (#21780297)
Over some time I have mostly come to this conclusion as well regarding most of the 20th century French intellectuals. Do you have any idea why they seem to retain so much influence and power in the academy this far into the 21st century? Is it essentially a matter of the emperor having no clothes or is there something more complex going on?
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by teekert on Friday December 13, 2019 @06:24AM (#21780719)
Yes, I agree! So this woman feels sexy and al I think it she looks like a doll. But still.. in a way it's also a supernormal stimulus for the opposite sex and is on its way to becoming the new standard, the same way people tend to descend into stranger and stranger fetishes and finding it harder and harder to get aroused by normal "human" partners.

I really don't like it. Though I will admit, such a fake face does tickle the fancy. As said, a supernormal stimulus. I guess when such make up can be applied in a second using technology, the world will change forever.

By the way, in "Stories of Your Life and Others" form Ted Chiang, there is a story where this sensitivity for beauty can be turned off, everybody does this but then someone stops doing it. It's a fascinating story, and very relevant, the story is "Liking What You See: A Documentary" [0]: "it consists of interviews with dozens of people at a high school in the US doing a pilot project with a future technique called “calliagnosia”. This is a neurological intervention that reliably and reversibly deadens that part of the brain that responds aesthetically to the human face."

[0] http://hugogrinebiter.com/?p=5604

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by koolba on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:38PM (#21778981)
I’m with you and think we may be the silent majority.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by onion2k on Friday December 13, 2019 @02:44AM (#21779833)
Why are you assuming it's supposed to be attractive? It's optimised for getting 'likes', not dates.

The assertion that every picture of yourself is driven by a biological urge to reproduce is wrong. Humans do stuff for many more reasons than that.

Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by adrianN on Friday December 13, 2019 @03:21AM (#21779974)
Pretending to be available for dates is a very effective way of getting "likes".
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by tsukurimashou on Friday December 13, 2019 @06:26AM (#21780725)
Attractiveness is subjective, but most of the time, people find attractive the fact someone seems "open" for dates.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by dkersten on Friday December 13, 2019 @05:31AM (#21780528)
Yeah I find it ugly. It looks so fake, almost like a dodgy 3D model or a cartoon. Not attractive at all.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by tsukurimashou on Friday December 13, 2019 @05:40AM (#21780568)
Cmon, who wouldn't fuck a cartoon!
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by Sohcahtoa82 on Friday December 13, 2019 @05:27PM (#21786204)
I find it highly disturbing that someone with a username that based on a line spoken by a 10-13 year old anime girl is talking about fucking a cartoon.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by randyrand on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:05PM (#21778822)
Agreed. It does not look like a human person. Or at least is in that direction.
Re:Instagram Face: The rise of selfie make-up and quest for ... by trophycase on Thursday December 12, 2019 @08:00PM (#21778207)
Agreed, I often think the world has gone crazy when completely absurd and inhuman stuff is labeled "attractive"