Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by percentcer on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @02:02PM
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If you want to track this through JIRA you need to make time for both learning and teaching. I've found that mgmt is reluctant to allow for "a day of learning", but if the output of that is a document or a small seminar where you can share that knowledge with the team it goes down much more easily.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by Aeolun on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @07:57PM
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It also takes all the fun out of it. I can’t properly get my mind in a state to learn if I’m going to be held accountable for how much I pick up.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by chmod775 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:49AM
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> I can’t properly get my mind in a state to learn if I’m going to be held accountable for how much I pick up.
That is school and university in a nutshell though.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by hamandcheese on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @01:57PM
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Maybe make tickets for your learning activities?
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by uxp100 on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @04:39PM
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Heh, would not go over well. Now that we have JIRA, tickets are not just watched by my boss, but my bosses boss, my bosses bosses boss, and a few dedicated project managers of some kind.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by kedean on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @05:18PM
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Yuck. When my company started pushing for more "agility" and my team moved to a sprint structure, I was lucky enough to have personal leverage as a senior team member. Early on I made it clear that tickets and sprints exclusively exist for the team to plan and manage expectations, and that I wasn't going to hold with upper management using them as leverage over anybody. To support that, I had to interrupt stand-ups a few times when someone would start iterating through tickets for progress instead of letting people report.
I wish misuse of these tools wasn't so widespread, but it was to be expected.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by ShroudedNight on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @07:29PM
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> ...tickets are not just watched by my boss, but my bosses boss, my bosses bosses boss...
Are all these people really hired for their competency? The amount of wasted time this describes is staggering. Even at the worst of times, ticket interaction by even a skip-level was a sign of mounting org-wide desperation.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by lonelappde on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @07:12PM
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Use code words.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by hnick on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @06:17PM
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We didn't use JIRA (very much a NIH-company with our own job tracker) but we always had a job number to log training/learning hours against.
IIRC, management actually questioned people who didn't log much time on it. There were a lot of problems at this place but I liked that.
Re:Learning at work is work, and we must make space for it
by samcodes on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:10PM
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“using JIRA and tracking sprint efficiency wrong” is the working definition of agile at most companies AFAICT.
This makes me sad. I had a great experience with what I now think of as “authentic agile” at my second job, now I doubt I’ll ever get to do things that way ever again.
Companies do think "It’s your responsibility to be on top of whatever’s going on in your field" and they might even claim that learning and development on the job is important, but when it comes time to log JIRA hours, they tend to show how much they really believe in this.