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Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by gwright on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @11:25PM (#21759588)
Because it is an unsecured loan. It would be too easy for a newly minted graduate to declare bankruptcy, discharge the loan, and move on with their life. The only entity stupid enough to loan money to students in that world would be the government.
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by swagasaurus-rex on Tuesday December 10, 2019 @11:43PM (#21759656)
The missing wisdom here is that maybe the government should take on a high-risk, societally high-reward investment like education.
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by tptacek on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @01:10AM (#21760012)
I think you're using the word "risk" idiosyncratically. Student loans are unsecured, and most people are done with them by the time they're 23. If they're dischargeable in bankruptcy, for a lot of people, it's irrational not to default on them; the bankruptcy is gone long before your credit history matters.
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by gwright on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:09AM (#21759769)
That sounds nice but it requires there to be a definition of "societally high-reward education". That is difficult. Even if you find some methodology to identify the quality programs that have an appropriate "societal reward" you have to deal with the problem that the costs for those programs will inevitably rise in lock step to the amount of tax dollars used to subsidize them. (See https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff...)

I would suggest the federal government get out of educational loans entirely. Let the private loan market evaluate and take the risks, probably with an income based repayment contract that favored degrees/programs that are likely to lead to reasonable incomes.

Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by pinkfoot on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @03:39AM (#21760661)
Steve Jobs had an English degree. Would most STEM obsessed industrialised file that under 'favoured'?
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by gwright on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:53PM (#21764925)
Who knows? Like I said that is a difficult decision and I'd rather those decisions be made by individuals. They can decide if taking out a loan to get an English degree is worthwhile. And if they can't find someone to loan them the money, they may have find a different approach.
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by vinniejames on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:54AM (#21759948)
The more you "favor" particular degrees, the faster you you saturate the market with new graduates. The eventual outcome being those jobs are no longer in high demand, nor pay a decent salary
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by gwright on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:52PM (#21764902)
Yep. That is called "the market". And I think the government shouldn't get in the way and "favor" anything. Let people decide their own careers and interests and let them balance the pros and cons.
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by listenallyall on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @02:48AM (#21760446)
It does, to an extent. Stafford and Perkins loans are direct from the government.

This article says 90% of student loans are from the gov't, so it appears it currently does exactly what you're suggesting. https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/student-loans-governm...

Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by gwright on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:57PM (#21764963)
The loan programs don't adjust the interest rates for the risk/reward involved. As a taxpayer I don't want to fund someone for 4 years in college and then have them default or be be unqualified for a job that would make them self sufficient.

I'd rather have non of my tax dollars allocated that way, but if I don't have a choice then there should be some attempt to invest in people and skills that produce self-sufficient citizens.

Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by coryrc on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @03:30AM (#21760623)
12 years is enough, if we wanted it to mean something instead of day care.
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @04:01AM (#21760766)
So what? If making a loan would be stupid, that loan shouldn't be made.
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by sokoloff on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @07:20AM (#21761758)
We could return to a world where only the upper and upper middle class could go to elite colleges.

Despite the fact that be more likely to help than hurt my family, I think it’s undesirable societal policy.

Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by eli_gottlieb on Thursday December 12, 2019 @12:44AM (#21769548)
> We could return to a world where only the upper and upper middle class could go to elite colleges.

Or we could just socialize college and abolish the distinction between "elite" and "not elite".

Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by gwright on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @12:58PM (#21764980)
Right, but that doesn't stop the government. Student loans are not approved based on any risk/reward mechanism that I'm aware of (currently).
Re:Student Loans a Lot Like the Subprime Mortgage Debacle, W... by dillonmckay on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @05:46AM (#21761281)
There has got to be a happy medium between 7 years and life.