https://forward.com/opinion/424071/jews-are-speaking-out-aga...
The reason England and France got into the war is because of Germany's expansionist policies and not because of moral reasons at the time.
What Hitler did was terrible, but that's not the reason we had a war. "Germany (or Japan) might invade us next" is what was really in everyone's mind.
That's 2+ years after the start of WW2.
As WW2 progressed the Nazis attempted to ship the jews elsewhere. Sadly countries refused to accept these refugees.
Nazis then started to pile up Jews into Ghettos. Note that these Ghettos are almost identical to the Uyghur's current situation.
As the Ghettos started to fill up, the Nazis needed a plan on what to do as the ghettos started to reach capacity. Their decision is known as the "Final Solution" or death camps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Évian_Conference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht
Hitler was elected under the pretense that he represented socialism that was friendlier to the middle class and workers. This way people could get their socialist improvements to the economy (which was shit due to bad world-wide economy and war reparations) while still having defense against the the sort of upheaval and murderous destruction that the Reds represented.
The take-home lesson of WW2 shouldn't be that 'The other side was evil and we won'. Because the entire Eastern half of Europe and most of Asia was submitted to governments that were incredibly evil due to the Soviet victory.
WW2's lessons are meaningless without WW1. They really are effectively the same war. The treaty of Versailles and the humiliation of the German civilian government are directly responsible for the rise of power of the Fascism in Germany.
The take-home lesson of the 20th century wars is that massive murder and atrocities are only possible because people obey their governments. That 'The people' cannot discern true evil running the state until it's far too late.
Because evil doesn't show up saying "Elect me because I want to gas the Jews". They gain power by promising what you want. By telling you what you want to hear. And once they gain power then it is the average person's willingness to obey authority and carry out orders is what turns shoe makers, engineers, and doctors into mass murderers.
Which is the sort of thing that is happening in many parts of China.
Always remember that in Vichy France when they rounded up the Jews for the holocaust it wasn't the Germans troops that went around arresting them. It was the French police that rounded up people to be put on those trains. It was under the order's of the French politicians. This problem of obeying governments is not something that is limited by national borders.
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I can tell because that's how it already went down with the Tibetans and Uhgyrs. Because the CCP has already committed a multiple of genocides including their planned mass famines in 1960 that killed tens of millions of their own citizens.
I wouldn't have felt the need to make my comment if the original comment was modified with "early Holocaust" rather equating it to the entire thing which inherently includes and is often more synonymous with the death camps.
Also what China is doing is not in the magnitude of the Nazis.
I am not saying any of this to defend China. I just want these things clear because this is the type of rhetoric that is often used by Holocaust deniers.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schoo...
If I again compare with the US as an example even if people don't like that. You have had many hundred if not thousands of suicide bombers that have stated that they sacrifice their life to strike against targets because of US imperialistic ways. Imagine the circumstances that lead to that.
The guy who just wants to be left alone is constantly pushed into a corner by the guy that wants to control and manipulate people and those are the two types of people in the world. The American revolution was filled with guys that just wanted to be left alone. Congress is now filled with guys that want to control and manipulate. They are naturally attracted to power. It will take them pushing the US citizen who wants to be left alone (AKA the silent majority) into the corner before anything changes.
>The problem is you have two types of people, you have the guy that sees his kid get blown up and is like F'it I am going to detonate myself. I get it, I could be that guy under the right circumstances. The problem is the world is just as full of people ready and willing to exploit that guy and that is what happens. The situation is a lot more complicated than the American imperialist kills babies meme. The problem is though when you go after the other guys, who need going after, some good people get killed and it creates a newly exploitable class based on that anger and resentment.
That is also the exact motivation that China uses for its re-education camps. It is because of terrorism that they need to go after.
It's clearly not exactly the same as the Holocaust. But it's disingenuous to say it's nothing like the Holocaust either, because there are a lot of similarities.
Are they death camps yet? Well, perhaps not. But there are none the less a hell of lot dehumanization. There are reports of forced abortions, rapes, medical experiments, and other tortures.
To be clear, the US internment of the Japanese is a horrendous stain, but it clearly is far less evil than these camps.
[0] that is, one brutally murdered innocent child of innocent parents is not really different than some other brutally murdered innocent child of innocent parents.
I'm comparing our oil grab under various guises, vs Chinas attempts at unification.
When both are causing murder, why is oil better than submission?
We need to weane ourself off a dependency on China for cheap goods. We need to decide that we value human life over a cheap phone.
China gets away with what it does because it feeds our need for shiney new trinkets. Frankly, it's disgusting. The world could stand up to China and say it doesn't want it as a trading partner. Maybe that wouldn't even help, but do we really want to be doing trade with a country that operates like China does?
Where are our values?
It's like saying that police aren't a solution to murder - what we really need is to stop killing each other.
That hypothetical president who cared about e.g. Tibet or the Uighurs couldn't have expected any popular intellectual support for that effort, however, since our popular intellectuals act largely to feather their own nests with Panglossian tributes to how wonderful TPP could have been.