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Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by incompatible on Friday December 06, 2019 @07:33AM (#21721204)
Probably because consciousness requires some kind of underlying mental processes, which take time to achieve. I can only guess that it's similar to an instance of a computer program such as a web browser, i.e., it isn't a "thing" itself but is built out of a multitude of underlying calculations on a physical computer.

This also implies to me that consciousness, not being a physical thing itself, comes and goes within the brain, with the sleep cycle or just through lack of attention. The only interaction between one instance of consciousness and the following one would then be via memories.

Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by mellosouls on Friday December 06, 2019 @10:28AM (#21722583)
consciousness requires some kind of underlying mental processes

Assuming you mean cognition, this is essentially the opposite of the idea of panexperientialism, or at least not compatible.

Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by grabbalacious on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:49AM (#21723530)
Yes. The way I think about it, to be conscious, one has to be conscious of something. The only way to do that is to have a representation of that thing in memory. When the representation matches incoming sense data we then perceive the relevant thing.

Thus, a single atom cannot be conscious. It could at a stretch be regarded as a miniature body, perhaps, but could it contain a memory system? Presumably not.

Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by thecupisblue on Friday December 06, 2019 @08:27PM (#21727819)
Isn't it actually what panexperientalism is?

The universe is one giant state machine with the memory of it's current state and it's current state deciding what to invoke next.

Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by grabbalacious on Saturday December 07, 2019 @04:00PM (#21732514)
I don't know about panexperientialism. My understanding of panpsychism is that it means that everything in the universe is at least a little bit conscious. Which I doubt for the reasons I gave. I don't see how the universe as a whole could be conscious, either, any more than a child in the womb could be. There's not enough interaction between its body and the environment. Of course the universe as a whole lacks any environment.
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by yohsii on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:47AM (#21722171)
consciousness does not require a brain. consciousness is fundamental to the universe
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by hackinthebochs on Friday December 06, 2019 @10:25AM (#21722546)
Assertions aren't particularly helpful in this discussion. What reasons are there to think this is true?
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by CuriouslyC on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:54AM (#21722228)
Indeed. To go even farther, I suspect that there is nothing other than consciousness. There are no particles and forces, only awareness and will. The stuff of physics is emergent from statistical properties of consciousness over a large scale.
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by CharlesColeman on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:03PM (#21726448)
> Indeed. To go even farther, I suspect that there is nothing other than consciousness. There are no particles and forces, only awareness and will.

I believe the word for that is idealism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/berkeley/

Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by ci5er on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:49PM (#21728142)
That is certainly one hypothesis that has not yet been eliminated.
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by BlueTemplar on Friday December 06, 2019 @08:11AM (#21721447)
= emergent ?
Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by incompatible on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:25PM (#21726627)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergentism, yes it's clear that a lot has already been written about this kind of idea.

A difficulty is that it may interact with questions about the nature of existence and the nature of time. Would consciousness work properly in a deterministic block universe? What would be the relationship between my consciousness now and my consciousness of 10 seconds ago, do they both exist independently? Could you have consciousness that worked in a spacial dimension instead of time, by writing out the relevant calculations on a sheet of paper?

Re:The unending quest to explain consciousness by BlueTemplar on Saturday December 07, 2019 @09:02AM (#21730298)
Funny, I thought about something very similar : could some path in the Mandelbrot set (or any other fractal) be called "conscious" ?