Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by EpicEng on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @01:06PM
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>and web developers are not against lean websites
Of course no one is _against_ good performance, but web devs obviously don't care enough to do anything about it. There's no practical difference between the two.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by dessant on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @01:17PM
(#21705116)
Most web developers do make fairly lean websites, but that is not enough when ads and a dozen tracking scripts which in part are supplied by Google are slapped over their work.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by xvector on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @04:12PM
(#21707051)
Which is completely 100% irrelevant from the end-user perspective.
Just to be clear, I hate AMP, but I also feel a sort of pleasurable vindication in the pain that developers and companies must now go through because of the horrendously slow trackers and ads they used to fill their pages with.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by dessant on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @05:07PM
(#21707736)
Google could restrict the content loaded in AdSense iframes and apply AMP restrictions to ad content only. They also have the means to limit the number of ads partners can load on a page, and restrict the overzealous use of Google Tag Manager which slows down sites.
Google offers both the poison and the antidote, and each of their solutions, see what they're doing with request blocking in Chrome, happens to erode user liberties and privacy rights to concentrate power around Google properties.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by cameronbrown on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @02:30PM
(#21706001)
It's a bad idea to just slap AdSense and analytics in a page. If they're a requirement then they need to be properly integrated and thought about. It can be done properly but nobody really does.
FYI Personal opinion not Google's.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by e_proxus on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @01:18PM
(#21705131)
Page rank would make them care. Can't understand why Google didn't just down rank heavy pages...
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by haroldp on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @03:12PM
(#21706411)
It absolutely does. Improving your page speed (or google's idea of your page speed) is a critical step in optimizing a site's organic google search ranking.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by e_proxus on Thursday December 05, 2019 @05:09AM
(#21711196)
Which means AMP actually has very little to do with "performance".
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by silexia on Thursday December 05, 2019 @10:20AM
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Why do people feel the need to "fight back against Google"? Should their actual fighting energy be going to fighting dictatorships around the world and torture by the CIA? Priorities are really messed up.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by e_proxus on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:34AM
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Why not both?
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by vile_wretch on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @01:41PM
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Web devs care but efficiency is expensive and clients don't want to pay for it.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by EpicEng on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @02:46PM
(#21706149)
No it's not. We're not talking about squeezing every last ounce of performance out of the CPU and hand tuning every query. Just stop bloating your pages with 10,000 dependencies and awful JS frameworks and pretending everything needs to be a SPA.
Yeah, but Google wants the excessive tracking and ads.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by vorpalhex on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @05:23PM
(#21707867)
Should read: "Google wants their excessive tracking and their ads."
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Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by dessant on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @12:47PM
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Again, install Firefox for Android with uBlock Origin, and see your opinion change about the main reason mobile sites are slow. Pages load fast and are responsive even on older phones if you use an ad blocker.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fi...
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/ublock-origin...
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by iteratorloopmap on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @12:57PM
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I use ubo and have used AMP in past. UBO is an excellent ad blocker, but as far as bandwidth savings are concerned, it doesn't come close to AMP. Of course I use UBO with JS off by default which is better and arguably more secure. But I still occasionally have to unbreak sites.
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by sandy123 on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @01:26PM
(#21705240)
Should installing an adblocker be a common knowledge. The world is not made up of techies
Re:Fight back against Google AMP (2018)
by tssva on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @06:28PM
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Your suggestion to install Firefox for Android for a performent mobile web experience undercuts whatever other arguments you may make.
Firefox for Android is a UX and performance disaster which is likely why Mozilla has chosen to start from scratch and develop a replacement browser for Android.
I've downvoted this post because it lacks substance, and the resulting arguments will derail the thread and bury actionable information that was shared below. It's depressing how most of these threads could initiate action but seem to be derailed.