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Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by ForHackernews on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @05:41PM (#21697644)
Does anyone have a goal of 50% female developers? Can we see some citations for that? Most companies I've worked at claimed to be trying for 20%, and they were failing abysmally at it.
Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by AdrianB1 on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @06:00PM (#21697811)
Yes, my company has a goal of "at least 50% females in IT in all positions and at all levels". I have absolutely no idea how they calculated 50% as a good target for the business and why "at least 50%", but these targets have a lot of emotional loads and zero real world value, so I don't try anymore to understand.
Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by inerte on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @05:50PM (#21697729)
I've heard from a Googler that yes, they want the workforce to match the outside world. With that in mind read https://diversity.google/annual-report/#!#_what-would-it-tak... and "That’s why in 2019 we challenge ourselves and others to think differently so that we widen pathways to tech. Only then will we reflect our consumer base, and truly elevate our ability to build products for everyone."

So Google wants to reflect the consumer base, so I guess we can take that to mean ~50% female devs?

Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by supernova87a on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @06:06PM (#21697857)
Most corporate statements of diversity goals I have ever seen take the simplistic position (in some form or another) that <x>, <y>, or <z> statistic "should mirror the representation of the general population." It seems to be an accepted truism that this equals unbiased selection and equity.

It is very politically unacceptable to object to this intellectually lazy reasoning.

Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by Udik on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @10:20PM (#21699309)
> So Google wants to reflect the consumer base

Which includes a good portion of extremists of all kinds, illiterates, drug dealers, etc. And of course, half of it is made of people with below average IQ.

You want your company to employ the people that are best at the job, not a cross-section of the population along some randomly chosen axis.

Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by pksdjfikkkkdsff on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @06:15PM (#21697930)
When I hear statements like that, I always wonder if they try to hire 2% pedophiles, too. About 2% of people in the real world are supposed to be pedophiles, so if they want to reflect the real world, they should aim to hire them.
Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by dang on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @03:54PM (#21706818)
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by daseiner1 on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @07:30PM (#21698452)
arguing in bad faith seems unnecessary when there's so much authentically wrong with their view
Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by pksdjfikkkkdsff on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @10:53AM (#21703210)
It's not about bad faith, it is about showing the absurdity of aiming for representation of people by sexual preferences.
Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by lopmotr on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @02:21AM (#21700271)
I don't see that as bad faith. Companies have weird diversity goals to do with physical features of their bodies and sexual preferences. Pedophiles are just part of that. They happen to be a marginalized group, but that's the thing about being marginalized, you get pushed to the margins and not advocated for by big companies and popular blogs.

Perhaps if you went back to the days of women's liberation and somebody said "what next, gays?" they'd get dismissed too. That might be right, but it's possible they really saw it as a serious issue before its time.

Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by hoseja on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @05:28AM (#21701067)
You're outside the current Overton window, quick, hide!
Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by TheFiend7 on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @05:51PM (#21697735)
Even so why do diversity weights exist at all? Should it not be based on performance or results? I understand the notion that people can be biased resulting in biased hirings, but why does that insist we must twist the bias in the opposite direction? Both sides of this fight are equally guilty of not hiring on the right principles which is how well can a person do a job.
Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by pksdjfikkkkdsff on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @06:09PM (#21697877)
The article claimed that 50% is the goal.

And if people aiming for diversity don't have 50% as a goal, somehow I have never seen them name another number that they would consider satisfactory.

Re:We ran the numbers, and there really is a pipeline proble... by buboard on Tuesday December 03, 2019 @08:48PM (#21698910)
any big , resourceful company should