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Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @01:55PM (#21650786)
Exactly. Look at what these kids are being handed for a future and tell me they don't have the right to be in life-threatening levels of despair.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hcurtiss on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:28PM (#21651112)
I just don't understand these kinds of comments. On every measurable metric, there has literally never been a better time to be alive and living in America. It seems to me that people's expectations are outpacing our relatively abundant affluence. That may still be a problem, but it has little to do with "what we're being handed for a future." My suspicion is that hit has more to do with the rise in social media and the fact that we're constantly comparing our lives to other people's highlight reels.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by NathanKP on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:40PM (#21651237)
Remember most of us on Hacker News make well over the national average. The annual median personal income is about 31k a year. This means that there are a lot of people working mind numbing, dead end, minimum wage jobs (likely retail, service industry, or warehouse jobs with no benefits or bad benefits), barely struggling to survive paycheck to paycheck. They don't feel like "there has literally never been a better time to be alive and living in America".

Social media is bad, but it's not the cause. Our society is seriously suffering, and the gap between those of us who are privileged and those of us who have nothing is just getting wider.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:43PM (#21651257)
I get tired of people blaming social media for societies ills.

Most of these ills existed long before Facebook. Facebook just makes it more apparent. Common people are on twitter, on reddit, on all the big networking sites directly pointing out that "everything is far from okay" and for a certain segment of the successful population of the world, they almost take that as an insult to them personally, because they're doing well and they assumed everyone else was too.

The reality is there are huge segments of the global and even American population that are being largely left behind by our new shiny future.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hcurtiss on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:36PM (#21651844)
I keep hearing that there's growing fraction of impoverished people in the US, but the data tell a very different story. See figure 1 and 2 here: https://www3.nd.edu/~jsulliv4/2017%20Consumption%20Poverty%2...
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by lmpostor on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:59PM (#21652586)
Eh I disagree for a multitude of reasons, first is that I really don't agree with the government assumed line of "what is poverty" and I seriously doubt that is the first thing that jumps into everyone's mind when they say people around them are "impoverished". Strictly speaking for 2018, 13064 is the official poverty line for an individual with no dependents below the age of 65. You can easily make above the poverty line working those jobs above, but working minimum wage is quite frankly poverty level in my mind, even 50% more would be pushing it.

Secondly there are additional items that are necessary for this next generation that I don't believe are really accounted for. A lack of good internet access in the form of a smartphone or pc is a literal handicap, if someone can't justify affording that, I would very much consider them impoverished. Time is literal money and denying the most advanced tool in our day and age that will save you large amounts of time/money is poor from my perspective.

Yes I realize this measures something else, but it is rather opaque, and it fails to account for other things like debt.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by NathanKP on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:18PM (#21652732)
Look at a graph of inflation in rent prices and cost of living compared to the official poverty line over the years. Basically the government is keeping the poverty line number low even as the cost of living skyrockets.

The result is that that there are a lot of people who are officially in the government's eyes "above the poverty line" but who in reality can barely pay rent and afford groceries.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by strathmeyer on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:46PM (#21651302)
I guess if you can convince someone they were only successful because of their privileged it's easy to see depression as inevitable.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by NathanKP on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:57PM (#21651430)
Of course depression is inevitable.

At my current job I work really hard, but I feel incredibly lucky that what I do is valued such that I am able to put about $3k per month extra money into a Vanguard mutual fund that has about 7% return. This money will continue to accumulate and grow with compound interest. I literally get more free money for already having money. That is privilege.

Meanwhile for many other people it's the exact opposite. They work equally hard (arguably perhaps even harder than I do) but the work they do isn't valued so they get paid almost nothing. After they pay their bills they don't have any extra money to invest. In fact they might have a small shortfall which over time turns into credit card debt. Now their net worth is compounding in the opposite direction.... down instead of up.

Someone in the second group has every right to feel depressed. I'd argue they probably even have every right to be mad as hell. They say that depression is just anger internalized. Some people are reacting to their situation by getting angry at the billionaires and super rich in our society. Others are experiencing that internalized anger that turns into depression that causes them to suicide slowly with drugs or alcohol.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by throwaway_tech on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:43PM (#21651260)
>On every measurable metric, there has literally never been a better time to be alive and living in America.

Not sure there has ever been a time so many people are in debt with no possibility of being able to repay. Consider 1M student loans go into default every year. That's 1M a year, mostly young people, who will have these loan debts for the rest of their lives with no way out.

That's just 1 area of debt to highlight, but more of these young people will never buy a house, probably not own a car, likely not have families, and die younger than their parents.

To tell these people there has literally never been a better time to be alive is an insult, any time in history was relatively good so long as you had wealth, the same is true today.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hcurtiss on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:40PM (#21651875)
I guess, but every quintile is either improving or staying flat.[1] No quintile is declining. And poverty is declining too.[2] As a society, things are improving, though admittedly faster for some than others. [1] https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2019/11/2... [2] https://www3.nd.edu/~jsulliv4/2017%20Consumption%20Poverty%2...
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by dv_dt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:48PM (#21652482)
Poverty rate has improved in since the recession, but the improvement is to get back to basically the same rate as the 1970s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hcurtiss on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:38PM (#21652868)
That's true only if you don't account for transfer payments (e.g., food stamps, state health care, etc.). I would refer you again to the second document I linked above.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by dv_dt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @07:22PM (#21653596)
That document claims that accounting for transfers not in income (eg. SNAP payments) are a better measure of "consumption poverty rate", yet food insecurity rates are barely returning to 1995 levels. So to me it's really not clear that this other "consumption poverty rate" is an improved measure.

https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/fo...

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by efa on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:16PM (#21651630)
Young people with college degrees and debt will never own a car, never have a family? This seems like a gross exaggeration. I know many people with student debt and they all manage to have a car and relationships/families.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:51PM (#21652501)
It's not impossible but it shouldn't be this fuckin hard. I'm struggling personally in an in-demand industry with a competitive job, and I don't even have children. I own a home but it's in no small part thanks to family helping me out.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by throwaway_tech on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:06PM (#21652139)
>I know many people with student debt and they all manage to have a car and relationships/families.

How many have defaulted on their loans? Again 1M default every year...how many do you know?

Home ownership, car ownership and marriage are all down with this demographic and millennials overall.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by SolaceQuantum on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:40PM (#21651233)
"On every measurable metric, there has literally never been a better time to be alive and living in America."

I mean, we have a measurable metric right now- young people dying in high rates, suicide is up, average life expectancy is down?

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by TurkishPoptart on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:35PM (#21651836)
If this were Reddit, I would like to wave away parent's argument with an "OK, Boomer" meme. I think it's simply propaganda that "things are better now then they ever were before! wee!" The statistics shown here and highlighted by other posters make this clear: we have many problems.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:56PM (#21652996)
And things are always better in the developed world, that doesn't inherently mean people fortunate enough to live here instead of say, rural Africa, have nothing to fucking complain about. First world problems are still problems afterall. Yeah the people living in isolated hunter-gatherer societies most assuredly have it worse, but just because you're in America with a car you can barely afford and are eating a steady diet of boiled rice in a studio apartment with no furniture in it, and are thusly compared with that hunter gatherer person doing okay, doesn't mean you have no right to complain that your boss, Jeff Bezos has over TWENTY homes all worth more than you'll ever make in a LIFETIME.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by JackRabbitSlim on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:30PM (#21651754)
Your argument fails spectacularly. Mark Twain covers it better than I could:

"In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period,' just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-rod. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact."

The wealth of people like Bazos, Gates, Buffet, Greenspan, etc turn the suffering of entire generations into rounding errors.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ianleeclark on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:40PM (#21651880)
> On every measurable metric, there has literally never been a better time to be alive and living in America.

I love how the common HN statement of, "if there's a metric, it will be gamed," never makes it's way into concerns of societies ills. The United States is an incredibly lonely and alienated place and, while GDP may be going up or whatever gamey mechanism you want to measure does the "right " thing, it does nothing to affect the very real material concerns of the average person: the ever-increasing precarious nature of work, healthcare concerns, student loan debt, increasing rent, and it just gets worse every time you wake up.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by davinic on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:13PM (#21652195)
I think this is a result of looking at the mean vs. the median. While the average GDP continues to rise, the median remains stagnant -- only up 2.8% since 1999[0]!

The saying "never cross a river that is 4 feet deep on average" is applicable -- the skewness is a critical factor.

[0]: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by TurkishPoptart on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:50PM (#21652960)
GDP has little to no indication as to whether people have a life worth living.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @06:06PM (#21653073)
The fact that it's mentioned at all in a discussion like this is a testament to how effective corporate media has been in convincing people to pursue economic growth at the cost of everything else.

Who cares if the planets burning and suicides are up!? Don't worry about financial security and medical expenses! The NASDAQ thing went up! That's all that matters afterall, as long as the made up fuckin numbers are nice and big, have a party!

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by abj on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:56PM (#21651411)
You're right, a lot of these metrics are improving.

Some demographics that should be doing fine perceive the world as worse than it is [1].

Even though the demographic's metrics are improving, the perception of their metrics might not be improving.

[1] https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/413140/

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hcurtiss on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:09PM (#21651568)
This was a fascinating article. Thanks for sharing.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by abj on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:35PM (#21652353)
No problem, glad it was interesting. Some friends grew up in an environment like this, I know it first hand.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by dx87 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:44PM (#21651283)
We also have politicians in the USA saying that civilization is going to end in 12 years becaue of climate change. Savvy people and organizations are taking advantage of outrage culture to influence viewpoints, but if someone doesn't have the energy to be outraged, they'll probably end up depressed instead.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by dv_dt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:46PM (#21652446)
This metric was recently posted on HN, but received little comment. The Jobs Quality Index shows that the available jobs for Americans have been declining in quality (despite rising classical metrics like GDP).

https://qz.com/1752676/the-job-quality-index-is-the-economic...

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by arbitrary_name on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:13PM (#21651611)
>On every measurable metric

Life expectancy has dropped for three years running.

Don't blame it on social media. It's bigger and deeper rooted than that.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by stopads on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:56PM (#21651420)
Life expectancy is going down every year. These are good times for a few privileged elite, everyone else is moving backwards.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hcurtiss on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:49PM (#21651975)
The data tell a different story. I've offered them in a another comment, but see increasing household income for every quintile here [1] and decreasing poverty here [2]. While income inequality is increasing, that doesn't mean quality of life is decreasing or "moving backwards." [1] https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2019/11/2... [2] https://www3.nd.edu/~jsulliv4/2017%20Consumption%20Poverty%2...
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by stopads on Thursday November 28, 2019 @09:57AM (#21657750)
Poor people are literally dying younger, and you're trying to argue that they are somehow better off? This is some Monty Burns level of delusion.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by dv_dt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:05PM (#21651524)
Other modern nations have just as much social media - why then is this a pronounced US phenomenon?
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by jdsully on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:41PM (#21651250)
On nearly every metric we’re better except hope. Its quite possible to talk yourself into despair and I think your seeing that in action.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by efa on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:10PM (#21651578)
This!
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by subsaharancoder on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:29PM (#21651127)
Children are born with optimism for life even in the face of daunting circumstances, I see this in my kids all the time and I'm raising them to understand that life has its challenges but that they have opportunities to be productive and impactful as members of society. We do a disservice and a wrong to our children when all we speak to them is despair and apocalyptic outcomes, we destroy their hope in life and value of fellow humans..
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by Reedx on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:36PM (#21651193)
Or maybe because they are being frightened endlessly by fear mongering news and social media, which favors outrage and gives an unbalanced view of reality. Things to be optimistic about[1] don't get much attention.

The future you're fearing may or may not happen.

But endless pessimism is a killer regardless. It's a self-fulfilling, terrible strategy if we want things to improve.

1. https://informationisbeautiful.net/beautifulnews/

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:51PM (#21651361)
Cherry picking positive news is literally no different than what you're accusing the mainstream news of doing. It's just the other direction.

I'm glad diseases are being stamped out in Africa. Here in America the anti-vax movement is bringing them back, and I have friends shelling out hundreds of dollars for generic epipens that cost pennies to make.

Automating naivety with an algorithm doesn't change what it is.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ajay_sibri04 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:12PM (#21650955)
I'm currently in high school and yes we are very angry about what is being handed to us. Bad job prospects, vilifying success, socialism, over priced college, loss of privacy, increased racial divide in society etc.

I am determined though to persevere and change the world for the better.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by yumraj on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:33PM (#21651163)
Compared to what? The dark ages, WW-I, WW-II, cold war with a real prospect of annihilation, slavery, the big depression, recession, colonialization, wars, communism..... Shall I go on?

Every generation faces this, it just seems that this generation feels a little bit more entitled than previous generations.

Edit: to quote from The Komensky Method It hurts to be human. It hurts like hell. And all the exploring in the world doesn’t make that hurt go away. Because being human and being hurt are the same damn thing.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by majormajor on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:52PM (#21651368)
There are more than purely-internal personality factors that cause suicides. Hell, even personality is influenced by what you grow up in and experience daily. If we're making a society that makes more people kill themselves than in the past, we're fucking up.

Is it "entitlement" to not want to live in a world where the culture and stimuli aren't so negative? How do you think kids would entitle themeselves, anway? The world they grow up in is the world we create. So if the kids are fucked, we done fucked them up.

It's not a fact of nature, either. My generation had it pretty easy, and I'm assuming yours did too, since the US had been a pretty idyllic environment for several decades there post-WWII for most demographics. But hey, kids today have iPads, who cares if they're far more lonely and fed a constraint stream of depressing stimuli!

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by yumraj on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:27PM (#21652290)
That is a fair point. But how do you reconcile it with the rise of the gig economy and more and more people not interested in holding permanent jobs, unlike previous generations.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by fzeroracer on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @11:22PM (#21654562)
I'm not sure how the two are connected, exactly. If you're a software engineer you should be very familiar with the reason why people switch jobs instead of holding down one for longer, and it has nothing to do with the people.

It has to do with companies not compensating people, offering career tracks, training etc. Employees are no longer treated as part of the company and valuable to train but instead disposable. The rise of the gig economy is just that logic taken to the extreme.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by lotsofpulp on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:37PM (#21652854)
Where do you get the idea people aren’t interested in holding permanent jobs?

From what I’ve seen, employers are not able to offer them, either due to needing cheaper labor in other countries. And employers themselves are subject to more volatility, so they can’t offer “permanent” jobs even if they wanted to. Of course, permanent jobs here means jobs that have decent pay.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by watwut on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:34PM (#21651824)
What makes you think that events you mention did not made people angry, suicidal, violent and so on?
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by yumraj on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:39PM (#21651864)
I don't know. However, I doubt it was at the scale we're hearing now.

I wonder if news and social media are partly to blame.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ajay_sibri04 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:44PM (#21651279)
I think you make a great point. Every generation has their own unique struggles.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by dv_dt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:20PM (#21651675)
For example, one comparison is the millennial generation owns about half the wealth at age 35 then the boomer generation did at the same age.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by the-dude on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:32PM (#21651153)
Bad job prospects compared to what? We had youth unemployment of about 25% in the early eighties in Western Europe ( NL ).

How bad are your prospects exactly?

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by tkifnn on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:21PM (#21651043)
>increased racial divide in society

Please explain this one

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ajay_sibri04 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:39PM (#21651230)
I see increasingly that people are pitted against each other based on race. We should all be treated the same.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by borkt on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:31PM (#21651142)
Yeah, for a example currently on TV watch the most recent episode of Watchmen. The racial divide has closed wildly since the 1960s, and simply because tech gives alt-right a platform doesn't make them any bigger than they were on their Oregon compounds decades ago.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by Daishiman on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:15PM (#21651625)
> socialism

That... is not it.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by asimovfan on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:24PM (#21651071)
What do you mean by socialism? How is that a threat?
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ajay_sibri04 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:44PM (#21651267)
Going too far to the right or left is definitely a threat. The great thing about the US imo is that we are a nation of moderates.

The entire 20th century was a case study on the dangers of far right and far left wing political systems.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by asimovfan on Monday December 09, 2019 @03:58PM (#21746489)
what do you mean by too far to the left? how is america going to the left? america is "the" right wing goverment.. there is a whole healthcare debate going on?
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hef19898 on Thursday November 28, 2019 @02:12AM (#21655234)
To give you some perspective. What counts as moderate in the US is, at best, center-right in Europe. Heck, a lot of Democrats would be considered center right over here. People like Bernie and Warren would count as moderate with, maybe, a tendency to the left. So your standard left wing politics in Europe would probably count as extremist in the US. Just as an example from the German capital: nationalization of residential buildings to prevent further rent increases. Or one, agreeably rather extreme, proposition from the youth wing of Germanies center left SPD was the nationalization of certain public companies to better share out profits to workers.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by aylmao on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:29PM (#21651128)
Don't forget climate change. Probably a bigger worry than socialism or "vilifying success".
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ajay_sibri04 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @06:43PM (#21653306)
Honestly climate change doesn't seem like that much of an issue. We have many of the smartest people in the world working on this problem and are making great strides in technology.

I think we will figure out the solutions and avert any serious consequences. Humanity always seems to find a way to prevail.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hef19898 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:32PM (#21651150)
Upvoted you for you being rather young, so benefit of doubt all that.

Just one thing, expensive college is a purely US thing, except some MBA programs most universities in Europe are practically free. So, that thing about socialism. Free, public healthcare as well as education are what some in the US might consider "socialism". So there you might have an issue with your reasoning.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ajay_sibri04 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @05:29PM (#21652807)
I don't think college should be free. It is a business after all. But the price of college in the US is definitely inflated. People used to be able to pay for the tuition by taking a summer job or going one semester on, and one semester working. I just think college should be priced affordably for middle class people and that there should be more merit based aid for lower class people.

I have some friends I play video games with online who have went to college and they have all said that it really wasn't that useful as far as education is concerned, but does get you into the 'club' to apply for better jobs.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hef19898 on Thursday November 28, 2019 @01:36AM (#21655093)
For me college is not a business, same as basic health care. Education is not a business. But then I guess I am used to that way.

But let's stick to college as business. You say tuition is to expensive. A college needs professors, equipment, buildings, employees. All that costs a ton of money. If they are not government owned, they have to cover that plus profits. And they cannot decrease tuition fees. So as long as college are businesses they have to be expensive. Your average studies in Germany run somewhere around 100k Euro if memory serves well, stuff med school and engineering tend to be higher.

In my opinion, a society can only benefit from making education as accessable as possible for everyone. The one thing nobody can take away from you is your knowledge, so the more you have the better yptu are off. That also means there is no such thing as "useless" knowledge. That you only need part of what you learn in school in your future professional life is true. Still nobody knows where you will end up when you are an adult. So the younger you are the broader your education has to be. As you progress, education becomes more specialized up to a point. From there on it is experience and dedicated training on the job.

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by yardie on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @03:22PM (#21651687)
Part of the reason for the recent protests in Paris was because the government wanted to add fees (though comparatively small) to university tuition. This was viewed as another slap in the face of lawmakers (many of whom went to university for free) wanting to pull the ladder up behind them.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by hef19898 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @04:45PM (#21652436)
True, Germany got rid of tuition fees after a short period. Still a far cry from the US, so.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ben_jones on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:21PM (#21651044)
Can you explain what you mean by vilifying success? If anything I'd say the problem is the we praise the wrong success, i.e. the Mark Zuckerberg and Kim Kardashians of the world.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by ajay_sibri04 on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:41PM (#21651251)
For example, I have been closely following the elections, since this will be the first time I can vote, people that make a lot of money are considered enemies of the common person I think this is wrong.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by wufufufu on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:32PM (#21651159)
By what metrics?
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by the-dude on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:03PM (#21650873)
Are you talking about Global Nuclear War?
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:10PM (#21650929)
I mean it's pretty much a race between nuclear war, nationalist authoritarians gaining power, backwards social policies, concentration of wealth among the 0.1%, climate change, financial crashes...

There's so many things getting worse seemingly all the time it's hard to really keep track of it.

Edit: The various surveillance states, re-emboldening of nazi's, the looming threat of Civil War in the United States, a handful of corporations attempting to own and monetize every aspect of life...

Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by r00fus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:32PM (#21651154)
Why is the "zombie apocalypse" so popular? because we have a surfeit of ways the world will likely die, and zombies are less likely than the insect/animal extinction, climate catastrophe or tweets launching nukes, so it's almost comforting in an escapist way.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by FussyZeus on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:39PM (#21651231)
It's incredibly comforting. I can do something about a zombie. I can't do something about the orange doofus tweeting war on North Korea and burning the planet.
Re:Young people in U.S. dying at high rates by shrimp_emoji on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:42PM (#21651253)
Through what dark lens is the unrelenting social progress we've made warped to such dystopic proportions? uwu

But the war, climate change, and economic inequality stuff, big true.

Also, increasingly digital society is moving the average person into the world of physically isolated sexless hydrogen that people like me have been in the whole time, which must be difficult. x3 Look to Japan; the future!