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Re:Can You Copyright Work Made by Artificial Intelligence? by tylerhou on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @08:27PM (#21644495)
No, I give you a dataset. You make transformations on that dataset and you try to sell it. I say — "hey, I own your underlying data, so I should have ownership of your transformed data, and thus the proceeds of your sale."
Re:Can You Copyright Work Made by Artificial Intelligence? by TuringNYC on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:53PM (#21651381)
Correct. This is the issue we faced.

Derived has so many meanings.

In this case, the transformations are the 0s and 1s (diagnoses labels) affecting a convolutional neural network to fit to these 0s and 1s and a set of network weights that result.

Re:Can You Copyright Work Made by Artificial Intelligence? by bastawhiz on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @10:15PM (#21644956)
I suppose it would depend on the terms of the sale of the training data (if it was purchased) or how it was acquired (if it wasn't).
Re:Can You Copyright Work Made by Artificial Intelligence? by TuringNYC on Wednesday November 27, 2019 @02:57PM (#21651441)
We did not purchase the training data, we licensed it. In retrospect it was clear that we had obtained the license to use the data to train a model, but not entirely clear whether we had licensed the rights to commercialize the model (e.g., sell the weights on our fairly generic neural network.)

That said, lots of things start getting confusing, when confusion means owners of the data might make millions off an acquisition.

In this case, it was medical data. The owners were technically the sovereign that licensed the medical data to us. But technically, the medical images had been read by independent doctors who only granted an upstream license to the sovereign to use their reads for medical diagnoses for patient welfare -- not to downstream license the reads to help someone else train a model to theoretically put doctors out of business.