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Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by cobbzilla on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:35AM (#21620972)
It will happen across such a long and large gradient that no one will know or ever understand it.

Does a single ant “know” what the whole colony wants? Yet one can describe the colony as a whole in many ways: finding food, reacting to threats, etc.

Does a single neuron “know” it is part of a brain? Yet the brain acts as a system, responding to stimuli in a coordinated fashion.

Hypothesis: we are already “one”, we just don’t know it, and can never truly know it, at an individual level.

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by Lambdanaut on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:14AM (#21621272)
When somebody speaks of a foreign country they're already abstracting millions of people into one being. It's especially humorous when emotion is applied to the foreign mass. "China is upset about XYZ".

Just as there is no China, there also is no me. I am the dance of a trillion cells who are each the dances of an infinite sea of atoms within and without them. Patterns on top of patterns forever.

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by urb on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:39AM (#21620994)
I like the analogy to neurons but since we are sentient being this is a second order collective and I think we will know, at least to a degree, that we are merging.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by UnbugMe on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:36AM (#21620981)
We will become 'one' who we will be able to actually understand.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by gfodor on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:18AM (#21621309)
I question the assumption the trend is towards consolidation. We have more people, pursuing more interests, inhabiting more space than before. If we become able to mold intelligence itself, it seems equally likely to me that each human will become many intellects than all of us become one.

Not to mention that the version of the future the author projects is one where a person will choose to yield their mental independence to another. This runs right up against the entire history of humanity — humanity’s best systems are those which leverage individual self interests to collective good. Systems which assume individuals will not pursue self interest and self preservation seem to be unstable and prone to failure.

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by dreamcompiler on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:06AM (#21621212)
It's certainly possible for a single consciousness to develop severe mental illness, and if that's what we are then I'd say we were already well down that road.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by bantheads on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:47AM (#21621538)
For the most part, mental health is highly subjective and relative. Psychiatric and psychological diagnosis are based on relativity to the average, or normal mental state of the masses.

So, if all consciousness is merged into one, how could we make any relative judgements?

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by carrozo on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:26AM (#21620922)
An addictive, codependent, smothering one-ness delivered with unquestioning religious fervour sounds like something I’d start an armed resistance against.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by bantheads on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:51AM (#21621566)
As ridiculous as it may sound, this precise sentiment could explain the rise of nationalist fervor in recent times in the face of increasing global consolidation of power and information flow; i.e. nationalist complaining about the "globalists"
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by mistermann on Sunday November 24, 2019 @05:27PM (#21623900)
I certainly fall under this category, and I find it ridiculous that others find the idea ridiculous. I sense widespread belief that certain things must be a certain way, that no other options are possible, yet when asked to explain this thinking the responses seem to have little depth of thought behind them, and disagreement is rapidly met with an emotional backlash.

It seems to me to be extremely similar to religion, which coincidentally tends to be something these believers criticize with great passion, in my experience anyways.

In general, I find the topic of the posted article very interesting and find it odd that globalist enthusiasts seem to lack interest in it considering the apparent similarities in foundational beliefs.

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by urb on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:31AM (#21620953)
I imagine many people will feel the same way. Do you think the Oneness will let you alone or pull you in for your own good :-)
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by didgeoridoo on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:08AM (#21621226)
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by ricc on Monday November 25, 2019 @02:54AM (#21626225)
Loved it! Thanks for sharing!
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by UnbugMe on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:39AM (#21620991)
If you can communicate with it at all, you have already been pulled in.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by 0705638875 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:43AM (#21621007)
This reads like a Markov chain with Ray Kurzweil and the script to Evangelion as input.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by urb on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:47AM (#21621042)
I'll take that as a compliment. I think.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by r34 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:35AM (#21621457)
"Billions of digitized thoughts are transferred between humans every hour of every day, more than the neural messages within any of our individual brains." - this one is quite interesting as a kind of objective measurment (density of information exchange?). According to that conceptual framework in which "consciousness is simply a process of information exchange" (I took it from Culadasa's "The Mind Illuminated", but it's probably much wider) one could thnk in terms of "phase", which level of consciousness dominates.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by gmuslera on Sunday November 24, 2019 @03:53PM (#21623310)
Still must be defined what is exactly human conciousness, and if have any meaning with that definition the idea of a shared conciousness.

But shared conciousness is not needed, just rising the abstraction level and watching how a society (or mankind) behaves as a whole would be a good hint on what could happen. And the problem is that what drives mankind right now is the money meme, not the preservation of the human race, or going to the stars, or preserve the ecosystem we depend on for a foreseeable future. That may be our great filter.

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by staktrace on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:49AM (#21621060)
I've often thought along these same lines (c.f. Asimov's Galaxia concept) but I think that this one-ness will inherently be limited by distance. Thoughts can be propagated across a planet pretty quickly but if we become a multi-planet civilization I would expect each planet to have it's own "one mind" (or whatever you want to call it) simply because of communication latency.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by urb on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:51AM (#21621080)
Thought doesn't have mass. I see no reason to discount superluminal communication.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by mrob on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:58AM (#21621135)
Superluminal communication breaks causality regardless of whether mass is involved, and we have no evidence that effects can happen before they are caused.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by staktrace on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:56AM (#21621116)
Fair point. Another argument in favor of multiple one-ness is that of monocultures. In general things that become a monoculture are more vulnerable to sudden death. For long term survival diversity is good, and I imagine that planet-level conciousnesses would spawn daughter conciousnesses as they expand to other planets. Those daughter conciousnesses would further evolve and reproduce rather than being strongly tied to the parent.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by dreamcompiler on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:02AM (#21621181)
Photons don't have mass either. Yet they cannot exceed the speed of light.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by the-dude on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:58AM (#21621137)
Are you sure about that? Bits have mass.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by urb on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:06AM (#21621211)
The underlying substrate on which bits register has mass but do they?
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by the-dude on Sunday November 24, 2019 @04:14PM (#21623471)
There are more electrons in your RAM if you set bits to 1.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by anotheryou on Sunday November 24, 2019 @12:04PM (#21621672)
I'm scared a population of 1 is close to extinction.

It's already scary that humanity is huddled so close together, be it the internet or the net of planes carrying viruses.

(I still totally dig technology and love the internet and also that so far it's mostly the internet)

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by vorpalhex on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:22AM (#21621348)
I've been rewatching an old anime where humans head towards collective conscienceness as a response to extinction level events. And it makes a good point: What if some people don't want to lose their individualized identity?

Connecting is not always the solution.

Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by urb on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:51AM (#21621573)
What's the name of the anime?
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by vorpalhex on Monday November 25, 2019 @11:25AM (#21629669)
Neon Genesis Evangelion. It's an older anime (90s) but it had a series of movies afterwards that expand on the ending. It starts as a typical "big robot fight" style anime but quickly evolves into much more.
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by vstuart on Sunday November 24, 2019 @12:49PM (#21622006)
CLickbait title: no other mention of "Fermi paradox."
Re:On Becoming One (Collective Consciousness and the Fermi P... by michaelfeathers on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @11:46AM (#21639958)
I thought the implication was clear. When everything becomes "one thing" there's no need to communicate using spectrum.