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Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by stuff4ben on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:12AM (#21620205)
As fascinating as I find "how" the spies did it, I'm more interested in "why" they did it? Was it dissatisfaction with something in their lives? For the money (boring)? Because they didn't want to see the US so far ahead of the USSR?
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by mannykannot on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:16AM (#21620862)
The linked article on Ted Hall has him explaining why he did it. All such justifications must be taken with a grain of salt, of course, but he claims to have feared that if a post-war depression ensued, the USA could turn totalitarian and fascist, in which case it would be better if the USA did not have a monopoly in nuclear weapons.

He also recounts the extent that his views were shaped by his slightly older roommates at Harvard, whom he was obviously in awe of.

Rather more self-servingly, he claims that he probably would not have spied if he had known how despotic the Soviet Union was.

Money was apparently not involved.

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/14/magazine/the-boy-who-gave...

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by yodon on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:15AM (#21620858)
The British during WWII had probably the most successful counter-espionage program in history, because they understood the personal motivations of the people who were interested in spying on them and used those motivations to their advantage. There are many books on the subject, my favorite of which is [0].

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Double-Cross-Story-D-Day-Spies/dp/030...

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by mcguire on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:44AM (#21621011)
On the other hand, the British intelligence community was riddled with Soviet agents because of their trust in "the right sort of people" like Kim Philby.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by yodon on Wednesday December 04, 2019 @10:50AM (#21703172)
While true, that was a post-War phenomenon, very different from the state of British counter-intelligence during the war.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by MobileVet on Sunday November 24, 2019 @01:17PM (#21622204)
Read or listen to ‘The Company’ for a fantastic look back at spying during the Cold War. It introduced me to Philby
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by dboreham on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:52AM (#21621576)
And Anthony Blunt.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by SiempreViernes on Sunday November 24, 2019 @12:56PM (#21622049)
I guess this means that counter espionage is invariably shit? Because the Brits graciously donated Klaus Fuchs[1] to the project, and that was after having him interned at first.

To be fair tough, Fuchs made important enough contributions that the Manhattan project might well have been too late to bomb japan before the war ended.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by alko4141 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @02:40PM (#21622774)
I think mister Philby disagrees with you.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by everybodyknows on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:44AM (#21620688)
Money, Ideology, Compromise+Extortion, Ego.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_spying

In the case of the early Los Alamos scientists: Ideology

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by pvg on Sunday November 24, 2019 @12:48PM (#21621997)
Ideological sympathies, the Soviet Union was an ally at the time, concern about balance of power given a new superweapon. As rationalizations go, the atomic spies had more to work with than most.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by maxmalysh on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:41AM (#21620345)
Money rules the world. Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames did this purely for the money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by ardy42 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @03:08PM (#21622974)
> As fascinating as I find "how" the spies did it, I'm more interested in "why" they did it? Was it dissatisfaction with something in their lives? For the money (boring)? Because they didn't want to see the US so far ahead of the USSR?

IIRC, in the 30s and 40s it was a lot more common and respectable to be a Communist due to the experience of the Great Depression an limited information about the failures of central planning.

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by vkou on Sunday November 24, 2019 @04:03PM (#21623390)
Also, because many worker rights in the West were only very recently won after a very long and bloody political struggle by socialists, trade unions, etc (Who were bitterly opposed by the government.)

When said governments are very clearly acting against their own people, is it no surprise that defectors may choose to side with an opposing ideology?

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by B1FF_PSUVM on Sunday November 24, 2019 @03:48PM (#21623273)
Belief in progress, in general, and the URSS being the embodiment of it, in particular. E.g. "I have seen the future, and it works."
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by DenisM on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:45AM (#21621522)
Preventing single-sided nuclear holocaust by creating mutually assured destruction.

Plans were drawn up and advocates were seriously proposing to enact them: https://www.businessinsider.com/the-pentagon-estimated-204-a...

Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by napsterbr on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:20AM (#21620244)
I guess for the same reason a soldier puts his life at risk in a war. Patriotism, keep their family safe etc.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by bdamm on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:44AM (#21621509)
Service-for-school, money, personal safety (army is better than homelessness), fulfilling murderous desires (see current uproar over US Navy SEAL).
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by dylan604 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:55AM (#21621595)
You used to be able to join the military instead of serving jail time. So not all reasons are the same.
Re:Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project by Haga on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:31AM (#21620291)
They knew game theory and wanted to prevent another war.