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Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by russellbeattie on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:08PM (#21617910)
As we move to electric over the next few decades, I wonder what we're going to do with all the ICE vehicles that are on the road now? There's going to be a tipping point where finding a gasoline station will be hard. There are a lot of gas stations, so this is going to be pretty huge by itself. Some states may go as far as banning ICE vehicles all together.

I guess we already churn through a huge amount of cars yearly as it is... I don't see many 1979 Plymouths on the road. They must have been all chopped up at some point, so this is probably a non issue. That said, I can't imagine the transition will be without pain for lots of people...

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by cagenut on Saturday November 23, 2019 @10:42PM (#21618198)
Cars in the US last on average 17 years, though there is a long tail that stretches out 25 and 30 years (mostly for "light trucks").

If we assume the goal is <1% ICE vehicles on the road by 2050, then we need all new cars to be electric by 2033 at the latest, and 2020 to be sure.

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by Scoundreller on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:32AM (#21621431)
Not in the salt belt!

I think we should have a system where cars spend their first 5 years in the north or south, and then spend the rest of their life in the other.

5 years of salt won’t kill a car, but 10+ will.

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by RickJWagner on Saturday November 23, 2019 @10:11PM (#21618102)
Yeah. I'm a car enthusiast, have long dreamed of the day retirement approaches and I can have a cool hobby car.

But lately I'm thinking maybe it'll be one of those fast, 2 motor electrics. Probably a lot more reliable, and faster too.

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by WalterBright on Saturday November 23, 2019 @11:43PM (#21618400)
> Probably a lot more reliable, and faster too.

Yeah, but cars that don't buck, snort and belch fire are boring.

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by asudosandwich on Sunday November 24, 2019 @05:10AM (#21619455)
Reminds me of the Beetle with aftermarket afterburner http://www.ronpatrickstuff.com/
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by Scoundreller on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:31AM (#21621422)
Where the real estate is valuable, gas stations are already going dodo.

Production will slow and ICE will go where they still work well: vehicles that don’t move much, so the savings of E don’t make up their capitalized price.

And cold weather environments. Or where the grid is a recommendation rather than a dependency.

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by TrueGeek on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:38PM (#21617999)
I have an old 1967 car that I like to drive a couple times a week so I wonder about this as well. I think the bans will start in the cities (they already have) but it will take a while before ICE vehicles are gone from the areas far from large cities.
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by sokoloff on Saturday November 23, 2019 @09:54PM (#21618049)
I’m 48 and don’t expect the premise of Rush’s Red Barchetta to become a reality in my lifetime.
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by upofadown on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:31AM (#21620290)
It turns out that cars in general have serious downsides (at least in large quantities). I predict that the first bans of ICE cars will actually be bans of all cars in certain parts of cities.
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by wavefunction on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:03AM (#21621192)
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by dokem on Saturday November 23, 2019 @10:55PM (#21618247)
Off topic but why does hn use the term ICE vehicle rather than gas vehicle? It comes across as forced like when a non tech person is trying to impress me with buzz words and I’m just like no one talks like that in the industry.
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by WalterBright on Saturday November 23, 2019 @11:42PM (#21618393)
> rather than gas vehicle

Probably the same reason you use "vehicle" rather than "car".

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by enjeyw on Saturday November 23, 2019 @11:28PM (#21618352)
Coming from a country that refers to ‘gas’ as ‘petrol’, ‘gas vehicle’ sounds far more awkward than ‘ICE vehicle’ - makes me think of a car running on LPG
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by yardie on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:59AM (#21621143)
Because the term applies to vehicles that don't necessarily use gas. Diesel, LNG, CNG are also ICE.
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by esotericn on Sunday November 24, 2019 @07:12AM (#21619928)
'Gas' is an americanism.

Europeans would say 'petrol or diesel' car, which is annoying, so ICE it is.

Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by mdorazio on Sunday November 24, 2019 @12:19AM (#21618541)
It's more than just "gas" - also diesel and LNG. It's generally easier to just use the blanket category ICE.
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by mikestew on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:48AM (#21620383)
Because my ICE recreational vehicle doesn’t run on gas.
Re:A Junkyard Billionaire by calewis on Sunday November 24, 2019 @06:57AM (#21619864)
Because the thing people generally put in a car is a liquid, called petrol, not a gas.