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Re:Save .org by Waterluvian on Saturday November 23, 2019 @12:00AM (#21612567)
You mean the death of the nerds-only Internet (a different kind of walled garden). There is so much creativity shared via the Internet by non-tech-savvy people that just wouldn't have been possible via the "old Internet".

There's certainly many problems with something this gargantuan, but I get very skeptical when people nostalgize and eulogize "the good old days" of anything.

I'll add, I say this with empathy to your feelings. I regularly feel a very strong nostalgia for those late nights of discovery on the Internet. But I do recognize that Internet involved a fraction of a fraction of the people using it today who are discovering and creating and sharing all kinds of stuff with greater ease than ever before.

Re:Save .org by necovek on Saturday November 23, 2019 @05:46AM (#21613484)
I agree that "Internet" today is full of creative expression of millions of people able to do that mostly due the expansion it has seen into non-technical crowd. And that's brilliant.

Unfortunately, getting to their creations is ultimately harder: eg. searches for anything will now throw you at some lame stuff on pinterest, which will attempt to lure you into signing up just to find out if they have what you are looking for.

Basically, ability to really "browse" that humongous web is now gone. And most of those creations never reach their intended audience.

Re:Save .org by foxhop on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:17AM (#21621299)
You captured my thoughts perfectly.
Re:Save .org by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Saturday November 23, 2019 @05:44AM (#21613472)
> There is so much creativity shared via the Internet by non-tech-savvy people that just wouldn't have been possible via the "old Internet".

Could you explain how you got to that conclusion?

It would be impossible for non-tech-savvy people to share things on the internet if there were no omni-present surveillance, manipulation, and centralization, because ... ?

Re:Save .org by necovek on Saturday November 23, 2019 @05:49AM (#21613495)
I think their point was that "old internet" was harder to use as a publishing platform than the new one, not necessarily that what we got was the best evolution, but that it has enabled non-techies to publish more.
Re:Save .org by blondin on Saturday November 23, 2019 @11:16AM (#21614802)
> I think their point was that "old internet" was harder to use as a publishing platform than the new one

harder to use as publishing platform by who? don't you mean businesses & corporations?

people have always been fine. myspace anyone? geocities? irc? icq? aol? msn? yahoo? the list goes on... also the remarkable thing is that people just move to newer and better back then.

Re:Save .org by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Saturday November 23, 2019 @08:09AM (#21613924)
Which then would be completely besides the point?!

"It's bad that X has happened!"

"But Y has happened, too, and that is good!"

Yeah, so what? Unless Y happening is predicated on X happening, that is just completely irrelevant to the discussion?

Re:Save .org by JohnJamesRambo on Saturday November 23, 2019 @12:49AM (#21612699)
Is what they are sharing worth anything or is it just crap?
Re:Save .org by wutbrodo on Saturday November 23, 2019 @01:54AM (#21612837)
I can't even imagine being small-minded enough to think that only tech-savvy people have anything interesting to express (and I say that as someone who thinks pretty highly of internet culture prior to its mainstreaming)
Re:Save .org by SamPatt on Saturday November 23, 2019 @12:57AM (#21612716)
That is entirely subjective.