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Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by nepeckman on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:15PM (#21586646)
Awesome news. I bought a Darter Pro back in March and the experience has been great. I was a little hesitant at first because I'm not a Linux expert, but their team puts a lot of effort into making sure stuff with Pop_Os "just works." It might not be quite as polished as a macbook, but it's a comparable product at half the price, plus I get to support open source. Thelio looks amazing and I'm excited to see what they can do in the laptop space.
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by panpanna on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:26PM (#21586768)
I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own.

Hardware companies trying to write software usually ends in disaster. (Yes Lenovo, I'm looking at you)

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by Finnucane on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:27PM (#21586791)
>I still feel they should've used those resources to improve an existing distro instead of creating their own

Since Pop_Os is derived from Ubuntu, you could argue that this is just what they did.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by curt15 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:24PM (#21587448)
When bugs get fixed in upstream projects, do they have to first land in Ubuntu and then filter down to Pop_os? Or does Pop_Os point directly at Ubuntu repositories?
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by tlb on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:31PM (#21588162)
/etc/apt/sources.list mostly points right at Ubuntu, so you get fixes immediately.
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by 7thaccount on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @06:35PM (#21589821)
Honestly not sure, but my POP!OS distro tells me it has new updates almost daily in a little notification at the top.
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by panpanna on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:29PM (#21586807)
The point is, now there is yet another distro out there as its own island, stealing resources and not contributing to the rest of the community (including Ubuntu)
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by cartoonworld on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:42PM (#21586973)
So-called "Stealing" by creating a derivative work is specifically allowed, encouraged, and part and parcel of the nature of this kind of Open Source, community developed software.

I'll bet upstream is more-or-less welcoming of an additional (well funded?) stakeholder. The bug reports alone might be worth the effort, especially if System76 is triaging some.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by panpanna on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:08AM (#21593635)
I think you misunderstood me. Note my use of the word "resources"...

The number of FOSS contributers is not infitine. At some point we need to start working together instead of forking yet another marginally different copy.

I understand some diversity is good, but what popos adds could have been added to vanilla Ubuntu (or Debian, if you feel that way) and benefitted many more.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by CivBase on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:36PM (#21586908)
What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with.

To address your original point, I suspect it's more expensive and slower (at least, in the short term) to add features to someone else's distro than to fork it and keep building it out yourself.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by isantop on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:28PM (#21588124)
> What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want?

Nothing. Everything we create here at System76 is open source, either GPL or some form of permissive license.

(Edit: To be clear, I'm just answering your rhetorical question, not insinuating anything about the tone of your post for sure.)

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by CivBase on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:56PM (#21588417)
Woops. I re-read my comment, and the "assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with" bit reads like an insult to Pop!_OS. My bad!

I just figure Canonical probably has a specific vision for Ubuntu (just like System76 surely has for Pop!_OS), so they don't necessarily want to pull in every feature from every downstream distro. The prevalence of purposed-focused distros is one of my favorite things about the Linux ecosystem.

I actually haven't used Pop!_OS yet, but it looks good and it's on my short list of distros to try. I didn't mean to imply anything negative about it.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:04PM (#21587236)
Like Ubuntu stole from Debian? And let's not forget that Debian is just stealing the hard work of the Linux and GNU developers...

(/s)

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by Finnucane on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:34PM (#21586873)
Stealing resources? How do you steal that which is given away for free?
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by uncletaco on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:36PM (#21586893)
Are you positive they aren't contributing anything upstream?
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by pkulak on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:50PM (#21587076)
They absolutely are.
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by skywhopper on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:10PM (#21587299)
Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian... Presumably they are okay with it.
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by davidmurdoch on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:28PM (#21587494)
One of the reasons I didn't get a System76 machine was because of how Pop!_os is branded. Everything about its branding, from the name itself to even the footer background on the website looks like a complete joke to me.

Of course, maybe there is a demographic that is in to this sort of branding, but I bet it's more of a detriment to overall sales than anything.

Is the OS as full of seconds-long bouncy animations and bubble letter finds as the branding and website makes it look? If so, can animations be reduced or disabled?

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by zozbot234 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:31PM (#21588159)
That might actually be a reason to get a system76 machine, since I expect that the stock OS can be replaced with very few issues. Debian GNU/Linux is a lot leaner and meaner than Ubuntu or PopOS (which don't seem to differ significantly in their branding anyway).

(Even Fedora or CentOS are not nearly as comfortable to use in my experience, although they might be preferable in other ways!)

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by 7thaccount on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @06:33PM (#21589806)
You can select either Ubuntu LTS or POP!_OS when building a System76 computer.

I built one with PoPOS (however you spell it) about 6-8 months ago and absolutely love it. I've previously used Xubuntu, Linux Mint, and Fedora and PoP!OS had a lot of the things everyone installed already taken care of and the UI is useful, but minimalistic.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by tlb on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:30PM (#21588142)
Change the background picture and turn off animations with gnome-tweaks and it's quite inoffensive.
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:06PM (#21587267)
> but their team puts a lot of effort into making sure stuff with Pop_Os "just works."

I don't personally use it, but I've heard of people actually using it on other hardware just because the system is supposedly so polished. And maybe because it has better support for proprietary firmware? I forget.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by akhilcacharya on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:39PM (#21587619)
I installed it because it had great support for Nvidia drivers. It was painless when I installed it with my GTX1080 - IIRC I was able to get Keras-GPU working in minutes.