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Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by panpanna on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:29PM (#21586807)
The point is, now there is yet another distro out there as its own island, stealing resources and not contributing to the rest of the community (including Ubuntu)
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by cartoonworld on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:42PM (#21586973)
So-called "Stealing" by creating a derivative work is specifically allowed, encouraged, and part and parcel of the nature of this kind of Open Source, community developed software.

I'll bet upstream is more-or-less welcoming of an additional (well funded?) stakeholder. The bug reports alone might be worth the effort, especially if System76 is triaging some.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by panpanna on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:08AM (#21593635)
I think you misunderstood me. Note my use of the word "resources"...

The number of FOSS contributers is not infitine. At some point we need to start working together instead of forking yet another marginally different copy.

I understand some diversity is good, but what popos adds could have been added to vanilla Ubuntu (or Debian, if you feel that way) and benefitted many more.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by CivBase on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:36PM (#21586908)
What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want? Assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with.

To address your original point, I suspect it's more expensive and slower (at least, in the short term) to add features to someone else's distro than to fork it and keep building it out yourself.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by isantop on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:28PM (#21588124)
> What's stopping Ubuntu from just taking back the parts of Pop!_OS they want?

Nothing. Everything we create here at System76 is open source, either GPL or some form of permissive license.

(Edit: To be clear, I'm just answering your rhetorical question, not insinuating anything about the tone of your post for sure.)

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by CivBase on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:56PM (#21588417)
Woops. I re-read my comment, and the "assuming they actually want anything from Pop!_OS to begin with" bit reads like an insult to Pop!_OS. My bad!

I just figure Canonical probably has a specific vision for Ubuntu (just like System76 surely has for Pop!_OS), so they don't necessarily want to pull in every feature from every downstream distro. The prevalence of purposed-focused distros is one of my favorite things about the Linux ecosystem.

I actually haven't used Pop!_OS yet, but it looks good and it's on my short list of distros to try. I didn't mean to imply anything negative about it.

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by yjftsjthsd-h on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:04PM (#21587236)
Like Ubuntu stole from Debian? And let's not forget that Debian is just stealing the hard work of the Linux and GNU developers...

(/s)

Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by Finnucane on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:34PM (#21586873)
Stealing resources? How do you steal that which is given away for free?
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by uncletaco on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:36PM (#21586893)
Are you positive they aren't contributing anything upstream?
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by pkulak on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:50PM (#21587076)
They absolutely are.
Re:System76 Will Start Designing and Building Its Own Linux ... by skywhopper on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:10PM (#21587299)
Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian... Presumably they are okay with it.