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Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by Justsignedup on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @09:43AM (#21584286)
This. This is the solution. AdNausium will destroy the ad market. Adblocking users will engage in toxic behaviors if you force them to.

The problem is that sites trying some insane techniques is a bad arms race.

Sites like the wallsteet journal made a adblock-wall, see ads or don't use the site. That's fine. They can do that. And they lost lots of traffic. But they can decide if they like that.

Websites want a have-your-cake-and-eat-it option -- forcibly show ads, no opt out.

Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by UnFleshedOne on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @01:26PM (#21586773)
Nothing stops google from banning your account if you are using AdNausium, not only from youtube, but from gmail and all other properties. Joys of SSO. Maybe a TOC change or two. Few public cases like that and AdNausium is dead in the water.

That's why I'm not using it personally, even though I'd love to...

Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by blibble on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @03:14PM (#21588001)
could you use FF containers so that your google account cookies are isolated to google properties?

then you can go mad on everything outside the container

Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by farisjarrah on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @04:00PM (#21588447)
Yeah FF containers are definitely not going to stop Google from knowing who you are. Browser fingerprinting is still a thing.
Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by dhimes on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @10:06AM (#21584487)
I (and I think I speak for most of us- so this is clarifying for later readers) don't object to ads as long as they are not trackers.

The next anti-tracking technology should include fake tracking.

Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by hk__2 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:11PM (#21587323)
> I (and I think I speak for most of us- so this is clarifying for later readers)

What makes you say you’re speaking for most of us?

Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by dhimes on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:00AM (#21593586)
Engaging with these threads for a couple of years. I will say though that there seem to be more people here in the biz of tracking than there used to be.
Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by naniwaduni on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:12AM (#21592042)
That would be extremely counterintuitive. Ads are visible; they give people reason to object to them even without knowing much about them, because their existence is intentionally intrusive.

Tracking doesn't mean anything to most people.

Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by dhimes on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:01AM (#21593588)
True; I by "us" I mean HN folks- people who know.
Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by manigandham on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @09:01PM (#21590778)
Ad Nauseum is not a threat to any modern ad network. It's easily caught and the results are filtered out.
Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by edoceo on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @09:53AM (#21584381)
Where is the source for the traffic loss claim? Their profile on Alexa looks healthy and their rank has improved over time
Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by rndgermandude on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @10:41AM (#21584833)
Want to take a guess on where Alexa gets its data from that it then uses to estimate traffic and ranks?
Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by hombre_fatal on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @11:58AM (#21585678)
From a sampling of users:

https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200449744-How-ar...

Why ask a vague winky-face question when you can make your assertion instead? Now I have to wait for you to respond just for you to clarify what you were trying to say.

Re:uBlock Origin: Address first-party tracker blocking by hk__2 on Wednesday November 20, 2019 @02:11PM (#21587312)
This link is very vague: they only talk about a “global data panel” without saying how it’s constructed. You can’t build a representative sample if you don’t have an idea of what the global traffic might be like. See also https://blog.alexa.com/alexa-panel-increase/:

> our traffic estimates are based on data from our global panel, which is a sample of millions of Internet users using one of many different browser extensions. However, we don’t just rely on browser extensions. We also gather much of our traffic data from direct sources, including sites that have chosen to install the Alexa script and certify their metrics. It is this unique combination of data from our global panel, plus data from directly measured sources, filtered through our advanced statistical models that allow us to provide you with robust and comprehensive metrics.