Re:Mirantis acquires Docker Enterprise and Docker raises $35M
by lostcolony on Thursday November 14, 2019 @12:17AM
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Depends on the incentives placed on ops.
All too often, they're responsible to handle things breaking, but not responsible for getting features out the door.
Hence, they become a huge gate to get anything out; they have no incentive to help you.
Meanwhile, you get dev owning some of the operational burden, and it works pretty well. Until you have compliance needs to separate them.
Re:Mirantis acquires Docker Enterprise and Docker raises $35M
by etaioinshrdlu on Thursday November 14, 2019 @12:21AM
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I remember working at a startup with separate ops and no docker. I just remember it causing a lot of friction and it slowed us down. I see no reason why ops people wouldn't enjoy docker just as much as devs. I found it cleaner on average than system config trackers like ansible or puppet, and could reduce the complexity of your configuration management.
Re:Mirantis acquires Docker Enterprise and Docker raises $35M
by stjohnswarts on Thursday November 14, 2019 @01:59PM
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If a dev can do it on his own without assistance with minimal issues then having someone to "maintain" the install is just dumb.
I hope that one day we will stop echoing that or framing it as a bad thing.
It's always good to involve people. Writing, build and running software is a shared responsibility.
I truly believe that if you be nice with your ops, explain what you want to achieve, they will help you. It is a two-way street.
It is not a tool that will "fix" how humans interact.
Also, put yourself in their shoes, it could be that:
"With Docker everything new becomes a snowflake on its own where you need to call in "dev" for the smallest of things." -- or uncompress the image and look around how/what a specific image does things when it start, place app/config/data files, etc...