I hope that one day we will stop echoing that or framing it as a bad thing.

It's always good to involve people. Writing, build and running software is a shared responsibility.

I truly believe that if you be nice with your ops, explain what you want to achieve, they will help you. It is a two-way street.

It is not a tool that will "fix" how humans interact.

Also, put yourself in their shoes, it could be that:

"With Docker everything new becomes a snowflake on its own where you need to call in "dev" for the smallest of things." -- or uncompress the image and look around how/what a specific image does things when it start, place app/config/data files, etc...

All too often, they're responsible to handle things breaking, but not responsible for getting features out the door.

Hence, they become a huge gate to get anything out; they have no incentive to help you.

Meanwhile, you get dev owning some of the operational burden, and it works pretty well. Until you have compliance needs to separate them.

Probably the same people who said Dropbox brings nothing new over rsync. Making something easier and bringing it to more people (two halves of the same thing) is a BIG value add. Often the majority of the value.

Not quite!

I wrote my own rsync-like-toolset before rsync itself was released (far too late, when you think of it!), and I immediately loved DropBox.

Maybe because I am dev, AND I am ops, or maybe because (unlike DropBox) I am not sharing folders with my mother, but more likely, because I'm an idiot (everyone tells me "Catcher in the Rye" is great - and after having read it every 3rd year for nigh on 30 years, I still don't get it), but I don't really understand the appeal of docker.

Sure, I can use it, because you kind of have to these days, and I don't really find it objectionable, but it seems like there is a whole lot of "something there" that I'm missing. At this point, I'll probably never understand the benefit of. It won't be the last tech ritual I will have to endure before I die...

I’m going to keep trying, probably, because so far it’s one of the only big classics I haven’t liked. Anyway, maybe we’re both idiots!

I started in my mid-teens. I was told: "It changed my life!".

I've read it every three years or so (even for the decade-plus that I've lived out of the US, once in Japanese!), and ... I just don't get it.

I probably don't get Moby Dick either, but I find it to be remarkably funny, and not a whiney teenager, so I'm going to give it a pass.

Thanks for the comment. I have a bit of a hang-up about how much I don't get "The Great American Novel" (as a born-and-bred rural American, I should get those, you know? :-) )