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Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by robbiemitchell on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:26PM (#21529773)
I told my wife that if I ever mention <redacted> while on a phone call, she should know that I am in trouble an unable to speak freely.

Sound like we'll all need more things like this eventually :(

Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by elefantastisch on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:41PM (#21529916)
It would make sense to have another word that indicates it is genuinely you and you are genuinely speaking freely.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by dredmorbius on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:17AM (#21542943)
If that's the default situation (a likely scenario for most people), you'd need something other than a single code word.

In practice, most people can conduct a reasonable verification through a series of challenge/response interactions based on shared knowledge, should they need to do so. Mentioning something done, said, or shared in private recently would suffice in many instances.

For more robust tradecraft, should you need it, a set of one-time codes (passwords or passphrases) might substitute.

When the former head of InterPol was arrested in China, he managed to alert his wife through the use of a duress signal, an image of a knife:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wife-missing-interpol-pre...

Not subtle, but effective.

Spoiler:

In the film Capricorn One (1978), one of the astronauts alerted his wife by referring to a holiday they'd recently taken together, by mis-stating the destination as Disneyland, rather than Hollywood -- the land of make believe -- as it had actually been, which led to the revealing of the hoax mission.

Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by baroffoos on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:10PM (#21532132)
That would solve the problem of having to find a word that you would never normally use but could slip in to a sentence normally.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by Double_a_92 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @05:21AM (#21534303)
If you can speak freely you don't need an extra codeword to explain that you are using the codeword in it's real meaning. Unless maybe you suspect that somebody is listening to you and might learn your codeword from that.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by elefantastisch on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:23AM (#21535532)
The codeword is to make it clear your words should be taken 100% seriously without considering the risk you are being coerced / spoofed with AI. If I agree on a word in advance with someone that no one could possibly guess and insert into an attempt to coerce / spoof my voice, then if there is truly an emergency in which I need this person to wire money to a random account, they will actually do it because they will know my request is genuine.

If I'm being coerced, I could have a codeword to indicate that. If I'm being spoofed with AI, I'm not in control of "my" words, so I can't. I need instead to prove when I'm not being spoofed with AI. That's the purpose of this second codeword.

Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by animal531 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @06:12AM (#21534514)
I invented two code phrases for pretty much exactly the same reason, but in case I ever met myself from the future.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by r00fus on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:53PM (#21530022)
While it's a great idea, how do you test this? Is it worth the time?

All my loved ones are on my iCloud so I would just ping their phone/watch while confirming location and asking the assailant to let you hear the phone ping on the line.

Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by bjelkeman-again on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @07:38PM (#21531511)
Find My Friend is so unreliable for me it is nearly worthless. Apple isn’t really delivering what I need.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by hawaiianbrah on Thursday November 14, 2019 @12:47AM (#21533090)
Really? How so? I use it probably almost daily and haven’t had an issue, at least I don’t think I have!
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by gt2 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @02:43AM (#21533574)
I've seen it fail to update the location pretty often.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by jiveturkey on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:26PM (#21531867)
how do you pronounce the < > symbols? i mean, 'redacted' is already a pretty strange thing to say by itself.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by Shorel on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:20AM (#21535512)
You just make static noises, like a radio signal being lost.

Also, you are lacking in the abstract thought department. Get that fixed, for your own benefit.

Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by throw1234651234 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:14AM (#21535960)
It's either a knowledge gap...or he is hopeless if he knew the symbol but didn't pick up on it. Nothing I know of can improve that.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by protomolecule on Saturday November 16, 2019 @09:02AM (#21552653)
I'd bet jiveturkey was joking.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by seanhunter on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:59AM (#21536431)
They are pronounced "wakka" and "wakka" respectively.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by friendlybus on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:11PM (#21532134)
less than redacted greater than, though it's clear he's keeping the real word a secret.
Re:AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018) by Double_a_92 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @05:23AM (#21534310)
<...> is a common way of indicating a placeholder.