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Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by bitwize on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @04:25PM (#21529766)
Do you remember the elaborate HBO title card that ran before their movies in the 1980s? They built an entire city, and some surrounding backroads and suburbs, in miniature to dolly the camera through before the HBO logo (itself built of wood and covered with sheet metal) spun at you -- even going so far as to place tiny model prostitutes on the street corners.

The only computer directly involved in production was used to control the sliding of two pieces of film to produce a "flare" effect late in the sequence.

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by mrob on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:01PM (#21530099)
CGI was expensive back then. Escape from New York (1981) had a "wireframe" city scene, which was actually a model city with fluorescent tape applied to the edges of the buildings. Cheaper than doing it with real computer graphics, and looked just as good.
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by jimnotgym on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:09PM (#21530174)
>Cheaper than doing it with real computer graphics, and looked just as good.

My kids were poking fun at the rendering glitches in the titles of Star Trek: Next Gen. They explored Netflix a little further to find the original Star Trek, and agreed that it had much better CGI with their starship. No glitches at all! It never occurred to them that they were models.

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by roywiggins on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:37PM (#21530473)
I'm 80% sure (can't check right now) that Netflix actually has the remastered version that subbed in CGI for the original effects...
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by monocasa on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:19PM (#21530887)
They do. It's the Blu-ray version, which redid the effects in CG because they didn't have the original film stock for those.
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by aquova on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:42PM (#21530527)
Funnily enough, TNG used models as well, I don't think it was until Deep Space 9 that they actually started using CGI starships. The versions of the first two Star Treks on Netflix are the remastered versions, so they might be pointing out CGI issues that came up years after the original airing.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Remaster

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by NeedMoreTea on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:53PM (#21530631)
DS9 also used models! CGI came with Voyager, notably using Amigas with Video Toaster.

They had been extremely reluctant to use CGI up to that point, despite many efforts to persuade.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/CGI

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by 0xcde4c3db on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @09:44PM (#21532323)
Babylon 5, which (somewhat infamously) ran at roughly the same time as DS9, was much more aggressive in adopting CGI (also courtesy of Amiga and Video Toaster, I believe) for space stuff, but still used a lot of practical effects for interior shots as well. The CGI ultimately had a negative impact on the DVD and LaserDisc releases. Live action was shot for widescreen, but CGI was only rendered for 4:3 standard-def broadcast. The plan was that if they ever did a widescreen release, they'd re-render the CGI for whatever the target resolution ended up being. But when production ended the assets were lost, and they ended up having to manipulate the standard-def video into a widescreen aspect ratio. This isn't too bad for the pure CGI space stuff, but there are a few composite shots that look awful on the LaserDisc and DVD releases because of it.

I guess sometimes no matter which tech you choose, it ends up being a double-edged sword in one way or another. Especially in the early '90s.

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by dmccunney on Friday November 22, 2019 @10:03AM (#21606130)
Yes, B5 was an aggressive adopter of digital technology. The driver was costs. Models were expensive, and if they could be replaced by CGI, the cost of making the show could be dramatically reduced. B5 was being produced for the syndication market, which was a different animal than the usual networks, and doing it cheaper while retaining quality was a major goal. Short lived competitor "Space: Above and Beyond (which lasted one season) used models, with production costs over $1,000,000 per episode, and that was a major reason they only lasted a season. B5 did use Amiga and Video Toaster in the beginning, though I believe they transitioned to other equipment later. J. Michael Straczynski's partner Doug Netter had a company called Netter Digital that did the work. JMS commented that when he did pitch meetings with possible networks that would air the show, it was him and a 5 minute clip of their CGI renderings. When I saw the first episode opening, with the Vorlon craft emerging from hyperspace to dock at Babylon 5, I sat back open mouthed going "Whoa". I'm a computer guy, and had some notion of what it took to do that
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by twic on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:35PM (#21531010)
The Crystalline Entity from 'Datalore' in the first season of TNG was CGI, and was recreated from scratch for the remaster:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Crystalline_Entity#Back...

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by edoceo on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:43PM (#21531972)
These models were at MoPoP in Seattle a while ago, big StarTrek exhibit there.
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by Bluecobra on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:03PM (#21530132)
I loved that intro when I was growing up! There's a documentary about how they made it that can be found on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agS6ZXBrcng&t=408s

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by Mountain_Skies on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @06:06PM (#21530767)
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by ksaj on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @07:10PM (#21531302)
That was fun to watch. The NG warnings at the end are pure gold.
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by djmips on Thursday November 14, 2019 @04:20AM (#21534031)
Interesting that John Dykstra who was pioneering motion control cameras in Star Wars actually got some of the idea from working on a late sixties / early seventies Berkely traffic simulation that used a tiny city and a camera moving around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QJr2FvQlqY&feature=youtu.be... This technique was actually used much earlier for flight simulators as well.
Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by mellonmarshall on Friday November 22, 2019 @08:10PM (#21611722)
have you ever seen the one the BBC did for People's Century where they had a street going along as it go forward, it also goes forward in time, along with shots of people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUwDSd1tSiI here it is

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by ZeroGravitas on Thursday November 14, 2019 @11:59AM (#21536997)
Computers were also used to control the physical camera.

Captain Disallusionment does a video on Back to the Future special effects when he talks about how this was the era before CGI but that used computer controlled cameras to achieve certain special effects.

https://youtu.be/AtPA6nIBs5g

Re:Sir Rod Stewart reveals his epic model railway city by WalterBright on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @08:22PM (#21531843)
I like the Game of Thrones intro with the elaborate mechanical world. They should have filmed and episode in that world :-)