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Re:Brave launches 1.0 by Hamcha on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:50AM (#21526191)
I've used Brave since March, and I'm really not impressed. For a browser that tries to be different, it's incredible how little consideration has been given to things that annoy users and that could probably be trivial to remove.

To be more specific, my issues with Brave are:

- Still uses the Chrome Web Store as main store

- Does not have an easy way to load packaged extensions from 3rd party sources

- Even after adding them as unpacked, you still get the same annoying popup every time you open the browser.

- I received notices that "My account was waiting for a deposit" the entire time, even though I never allocated any money to anyone

- Tipping amounts are fixed

I always saw Brave as "not chrome, and not as much of a change as Firefox", but their approach seem lazy, features halfassed at best and the sneaky anti-features that Chrome has been adding to push users to lock into Google stuff (see all my remarks about extensions) not addressed at all.

I'm using Firefox as main browser now, and I haven't been missing brave once.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by colordrops on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @11:55AM (#21526274)
It's perfect for my use case: Chrome but with all the google bits removed and built-in ad-blocking. Can't say any of those things you listed have bothered me. I don't use BAT.

Edit: Why do so many new accounts (green text) post to any thread about Brave?

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by itake on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:07PM (#21526456)
It also has "built-in ad-adding".

https://brave.com/brave-ads-waitlist/

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by AgentME on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:07PM (#21528880)
That's opt-in. Maybe they should make that more obvious on that page.
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by n1231231231234 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:12PM (#21526542)
> with all the google bits removed

well, except for the fact that it's still a chromium browser and google really sets the general agenda for all chromium browsers.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by bsclifton on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:25PM (#21527539)
For those interested, we (I am a Brave employee) have the deviations (things we disable or patch out) from Chromium called out here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-...
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by dyslexit on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:30PM (#21526822)
What do you mean by "general agenda"?
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by Arnt on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:39PM (#21526972)
Google basically decides what to implement, what not to implement, what to deprecate.

For example the current controversial change: Google says "slow web is bad" and deprecates an API that allowed extensions to do almost unlimited work for any web page. Oops. Adblockers depended on that and did want to do almost unlimited work for any web page, and that wasn't a bug, but the API gets dropped, AIUI because Google wants performance. The reason doesn't matter though. Google gets to set the agenda, no matter what its reasons are.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by dyslexit on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:11PM (#21527346)
I'm not sure if that's what the person I was asking meant by "general agenda", considering the change you're talking about (Manifest v3) doesn't even affect Brave[0], or any other Chromium based browser that simply doesn't wish to implement that specific change. Chromium based browsers change their code all the time, and decide whether or not incoming changes will be fully adopted by their browser themselves.

[0]https://twitter.com/flamsmark/status/1088170219695071232?s=0...

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by im3w1l on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:48PM (#21530573)
Any divergence from upstream means

    a) ongoing cost of merging
    b) security updates delayed because of merging.
This means that there is a limit to how much any fork can allow itself to diverge. They will have to pick their battles and accept the least-worst.

It's possible the limit is high enough that it wont be a problem in practice though.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by GordonS on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:53PM (#21527137)
Same here - I don't want extensions or complexity on mobile, just a simple, fast browser with and blocking. Brave is perfect for me on mobile.

On desktop I browse differently, and use extensions, so Firefox with uBlock Origin works perfectly for me on desktop

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by grzte on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:06PM (#21526432)
I was thinking the same. I considered Vivaldi for some time but it was just buggy. That's a shame because now that Chrome is going to release manifest v3, many users will look for alternatives. Vivaldi has had years to polish their UI but they have missed the train. Eventually I'll settle with Brave, I think.
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by larntz on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:28PM (#21526788)
I used Vivaldi for a long time and never encountered many UI bugs. About a year ago I switched to Firefox mainly because I don't want Chromium to take over the world.

What I miss most using Firefox is the ability to customize almost everything.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by thanatropism on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:44PM (#21527032)
I used Vivaldi for about six months. I loved many aspects of the UI, which I found innovative and highly configurable. But it was so slow!
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by colordrops on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:27PM (#21526765)
I tried both Vivaldi and Brave and ended up with Brave because it is open source.
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by Hdddissj on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:02PM (#21527253)
https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

ungoogled-chromium A lightweight approach to removing Google web service dependency

ungoogled-chromium is Google Chromium, sans dependency on Google web services. It also features some tweaks to enhance privacy, control, and transparency (almost all of which require manual activation or enabling).

ungoogled-chromium retains the default Chromium experience as closely as possible. Unlike other Chromium forks that have their own visions of a web browser, ungoogled-chromium is essentially a drop-in replacement for Chromium.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by Sohcahtoa82 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:09PM (#21528909)
> Edit: Why do so many new accounts (green text) post to any thread about Brave?

There's a pretty ridiculous amount of astroturfing going on in these comments.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by dang on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:19PM (#21529026)
This comment breaks the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Would you please review them and stick to the rules when posting here? Gratuitous insinuation about astroturfing is probably the most toxic of the common internet poisons, and it's important not to spread that unless you have some specific evidence for thinking so—and in that case you should email [email protected] so we can look into it.

Note, however, that accounts posting opposing views on a topic doesn't count as evidence of astroturfing—only evidence that people have opposing views on the topic, which is the most routine of internet forum facts.

Lots more explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme....

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by dation on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:01PM (#21527242)
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by neets on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:05PM (#21527291)
And if you want a browser with all the brave parts taken out of it you can use dissenter https://dissenter.com/download
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by hunterloftis on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:00PM (#21526344)
I had the opposite take on the same product decisions.

As a long-time Chrome user, I have a set of useful extensions that have become a part of my daily browsing experience. I found converting to Brave an easy transition since everything I’m used to in Chrome is still available, right down to the developer tools.

As far as I can tell, Brave is basically Chrome with built-in Adblock and anti-tracking, plus an innovative mechanism for user-controlled advertising and content-author micropayments. I’m very impressed.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by nostrademons on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:04PM (#21526405)
I've also been using it since about March, and been generally happy with it. It's faster than Chrome, and the built-in adblock is great, and the easy incognito/TOR modes are handy. That's basically all I want out of it - it's got all the other nifty Chrome goodies that I use (devtools etc.), the only Chrome extension I used regularly was Adblock, I don't use a whole lot of other power-user features. I've had some stability issues (it crashes about once every 2-3 days), but that could be because I'm running several versions behind. Looking forwards to trying 1.0.
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by JohnJamesRambo on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:08PM (#21526469)
You’ve used a browser you aren’t impressed with for seven months?
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by the_duke on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:06PM (#21526437)
These mostly seem like very specific power user concerns that wouldn't be relevant to most users.

(not advocating for Brave, I'm a happy Firefox user. Just saying...)

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by fastball on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:53PM (#21527886)
Sooooo, basically all of your issues are related to extensions.

Also don't know what you're talking about with items 3-4, I have 3rd party extensions loaded, it was pretty easy, and I don't get any error messages on startup.

Also I love the fact that all the Chrome extensions work in Brave.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by wjoe on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:27PM (#21526773)
> I always saw Brave as "not chrome, and not as much of a change as Firefox"

It seems more like "Chrome, with some plugins" than anything else. It's a shame really, I like the concept of the BAT project, I'd be interested in using it as a plugin for Firefox, but I'm not interested enough to switch browsers and lose all the features and plugins I'm used to in Firefox.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by hunterloftis on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @02:10PM (#21528156)
A BAT plugin for FF sounds like a brilliant way for Brave to build a broader community of users.
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by fastball on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:54PM (#21527901)
What features and plugins for FF do you not want to lose by switching to a Chromium browser?
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by DeckOfSardines on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:02PM (#21526381)
Have you had the same experience with their mobile browser? I found the desktop experience lackluster but the only browser that's run faster on my phone is Firefox Focus.
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by withdavidli on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:09PM (#21526498)
Been running it on mobile for years. Built in adblock was all that I was looking for. Without the adblock all the video ads were draining my battery 1% per minute. Decent UI, good for people with basic needs.
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by mistrial9 on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:03PM (#21526400)
I guess that a big amount of time and energy is used to bicker about money and legalities, instead of improving the GUI and UX. However, this may simply be the price for something new.. the net had twenty years to decide on micropayments, and now its ad-infestation and surveillance capitalism instead. So, the GUI whining is not convincing here...
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by uncletammy on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:03PM (#21526401)
Here's an idea. Go help them make it better. Fixing our broken ass network and the (bad) incentives that keep is afloat is one tough job. We need all the help we can get!

You can start here: https://github.com/brave

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by lern_too_spel on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @12:34PM (#21526883)
Why should anyone volunteer their time to enrich Eich and his cohorts who hold the plurality of BAT?
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by BrendanEich on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @01:47PM (#21527808)
https://etherscan.io/token/tokenholderchart/0x0d8775f6484306...

Public ledger nicely allows anyone to see what's going on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong, on top of what it would mean if we were talking about votes being false counting tokens as votes.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by lern_too_spel on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @05:09PM (#21530179)
> Public ledger nicely allows anyone to see what's going on.

It shows exactly what I said was going on.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong

The meaning of plurality of tokens as an analogue to a plurality of votes is clear, but if not, pretend that I've spelled it out for you. Do you have any objections to the substance of my argument, or did you just come to provide evidence in support?

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by BrendanEich on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:51PM (#21532611)
You must have confused us for Binance, then.

Any fool can google `site:news.ycombinator.com brendaneich lern_to_spel` and see your posts over the years, showing ill will used to justify bogus claims. Somehow you always fade away under rational discourse. It's boring but I'm happy to have another run-around again.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by lern_too_spel on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:26PM (#21550038)
> You must have confused us for Binance, then.

If I deposit my dollars in the bank, are they no longer mine? The last time we had this discussion, I erroneously claimed you controlled a majority of the tokens, and you corrected me that it was only a plurality. Has anything actually changed since then, or are you still just quibbling over insubstantial details?

> Any fool can google `site:news.ycombinator.com brendaneich lern_to_spel` and see your posts over the years

And any person with half a brain can remove the "brendaneich" from the query and see that I often call out companies and people with dubious ethics. You happen to have shown poor ethical judgment on more than one occasion, as any fool who Googles "Brendan Eich" can see, but those past lapses are different from this one, so let's try to stay on topic.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by RandomBacon on Friday November 15, 2019 @07:14PM (#21549977)
> Any fool

So the rest of us HN users are fools?

Anyway... why I am writing this comment: I was just going through some of my old comments and noticed you replied to one of them 5 days after I posted. That was two months ago, so it won't let me reply now, so here I am.

Comments in question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20830172

I claimed that Brave removes a website's ads and replaces it with Brave's ads. You called me "misinformed". Is the Flying Spaghetti Monster placing those ads there, is it malware placing those ads there (well, technically yes, but I digress)? I'm not impressed with your attitude/ethics. If I needed another reason not to use Brave, there it is.

Edit only six minutes after posting: Interesing.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by jamiequint on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @03:26PM (#21529118)
See 1c "the state of being numerous" or 3a "a number greater than another" (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plurality)
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by BrendanEich on Wednesday November 13, 2019 @10:49PM (#21532601)
Yeah, but we aren't. What's your point?
Re:Brave launches 1.0 by jamiequint on Thursday November 14, 2019 @12:11PM (#21537131)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality sounds fancy but you are using it wrong

You said OP used the word wrong but he didn't. He was wrong about his statement but not about his word use. If you're going to correct people you should probably be correct yourself.

Re:Brave launches 1.0 by BrendanEich on Thursday November 14, 2019 @01:45PM (#21538117)
I suppose the obscure meaning would fit, if only the facts supported it (but they don't). Point taken!