Hard men make good times
Good times make soft men
Soft men make bad times
And so the cycle goes
Has there ever been an instance of a CoC being used in a reasonable way against an actually unreasonable person? From the history, it appears that CoC’s were designed to stop Linus Torvalds, specifically, but he’s still around (but he does seem to be afraid of CoC enforcers now).
Yes. Though, most CoC violations are handled privately for those involved so we don't hear much about them.
That really sounds like abuse of power with extra steps. Either ALL of these violations should be private or NONE of them should be. Selectively enforcing something like this is just bias and vendetta politics
I have been a part of many projects with out these types of CoC's where people have been removed from the project because they were an asshole, or the project is forked and the assholes are left behind
Historically that was the way of open source.
Today however it is much different... Politics and Social Status seem to matter more than Code, merit, and reality
[citation needed]
IMO that shouldn't fly with the Patriot Act, and it shouldn't fly here either.
I served on the exec board of a non profit org that used our CoC to adjudicate behavior (sexual predator, harassment, etc) that was not covered by our bylaws.
One big difference, why our CoC proved useful, was we had a trial. Plaintiff, defendant, evidence, testimony, jury, deliberation. All of it.
It was a lot of work. And EXTREMELY painful. But it worked. A popular leader had a day in court. And our org emerged stronger for it.
Now I'm of two minds on this. I do sometimes miss the more freewheeling culture of the '00s, and feel like the need for constant compliance has drained the tech scene of some life... but honestly it's a small price to pay if the only alternative is tolerating fascists in your midst.
Said instance is the only reason this thread exists, no?
Read their tweets, many of them are openly and proudly racist, sexist and ageist.
Are they really? Or do they just dare to hold views that have nothin to do with sexism, agism or racism but instead just violate the "proper" political orthodoxy?
> you fucking suck
Changed her Twitter name to "Kill All Men".
Drank coffee from mugs with things like "Male Tears" on the side.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/ironic-misandry-why...
https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/3z2sbe/randi_harpe...
etc.
Especially when they don’t permit the “joking” excuses to anyone else.
If you replace one gender with the other or one race with any other race (etc, etc) and the new sentence is offensive, then so is the previous one.
Is kill all women offensive? Then you obviously shouldn't say kill all men.
Well let’s see, what do you think about using “old”, “white” and “male” as pejoratives? No one ever seems to have violated a CoC for it.
Everyone has the right to appeal, sue for injury, etc.
Any entity acting as judge, jury, and executioner is the problem. Secret laws, secret courts, secret rulings are the problem.
Suboptimal CoC's are not (even remotely) the problem. Broken laws, policies, rules, procedures can be fixed. If we have proper governance.
We know this.
CoC's like the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence exist to capture values, principles, culture, intent.
Which side are you on?
Pick a side.
The thing that stops me and almost makes me side with the CoC crowd is that I've spent the last 8-10 years watching a wave of fascist and hyper-reactionary ideology sweep across hacker culture.
The existence of so much actual fascism, race nationalism, Naziism, ideological misogyny ("red pill" and "incel" stuff), etc. in so many corners of hacker/geek culture make the hard core SJW crowd look like they have a point. The stuff that revolves around places like Gab and /pol/ makes the craziest examples of "call out culture" and "cancel culture" look sane and maybe necessary.
It's like this.
Say you're in Salem. Say you're horrified at all the witch hysteria. Now imagine you go for a walk in the woods and come upon a circle of people chanting and sacrificing babies over a bonfire...
Hmm... now maybe those witch hunters have a point!
I feel a little like that.
What I really think is that everyone on the right, left, and just about everywhere else lost their damn minds for some reason starting about 2010-2012. The MAGA hat crowd and the "cancel culture" crowd are all insane and this is all crazies fighting with crazies.
This install is totally borked. Format and reinstall the OS.
When the whole CoC was shoehorned in the Linux Kernel, many people warned that this was going to happen. We were just hand waved with "No such thing would happen" because the people behind the CoC were not racist, etc, despite when the previous events like the whole opal mess indicated otherwise.
The really ironic thing here is that America(and Silicon Valley) was built on historical events like this. A whole lot of geniuses and skilled people were driven to America by similar groupthink lynchings happening in Europe and Asia up until and including WW2. They built America into a powerhouse. If this continues to happen then Silicon Valley is going to get a painful history lesson they could have easily avoided.