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Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by rapsey on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:16AM (#21461180)
Vision Fund is probably pretty dead. I can't imagine anyone giving them money in the future.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by Havoc on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:27AM (#21461234)
Think you'd be surprised.

One bad quarter for a guy that talks about 300 year timescale.

Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by empath75 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @09:33AM (#21462934)
that's a lot of bad quarters.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by tasssko on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @06:05AM (#21461408)
In my view 300 year timescale and technology investments are antithetical.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by Havoc on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @02:08PM (#21465879)
Not if the initial thesis is correct - which I think it is in this case.

If you corner a market space that is key for future tech then it'll be very difficult for anyone else to catch up - even if tech moves forward.

Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by rcMgD2BwE72F on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:32AM (#21461261)
Who's this guy and where his money come from? If it's based on fossil fuel revenues seized by autocrats, please explain how his plan can be sustained for centuries.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by diffeomorphism on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:57AM (#21461362)
"This guy": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Son

> If it's based on

Not really. Son himself got most of his money from investments into Alibaba.

What you are probably referring to is that the Saudis are large investors of the vision fund. I don't share your optimism that there won't be insanely rich people with little accountability in the centuries to come.

Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by dunkelheit on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:54AM (#21461353)
Well if he doesn't get too fussy about investing revenues specifically from fossil fuels and diversifies into simply investing money seized by autocrats regardless of its source then it is a plan that can be sustained for millenia.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by malenm on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:20AM (#21462199)
NPR Planet Money podcast recently did an episode all about it:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/04/767379358/episode-943-unicorn...

Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by simonh on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:51AM (#21461347)
He's a Japanese investor. While a significant amount of the funds he invests originated from oil money, his actual investments are in technology companies, so the future revenues and valuations of his investments are not based on oil.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by threeseed on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:56AM (#21461359)
Vision Fund has an investment horizon in the decades. So the idea that it is dead is just ignorant.

And there is plenty of capital and not many decent investment vehicles so expect Vision Fund 2 to do just fine.

Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by whatok on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @07:07AM (#21461691)
You can have an "investment horizon" of whatever arbitrary time period you want to make up but if your companies continue to lose money and continue to require additional capital raises just to operate, your "investment horizon" might get cut a bit short.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by soavepkyuvyu on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:19AM (#21461195)
Why? Could you elaborate on this?
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by FartyMcFarter on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:27AM (#21461230)
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by jsemrau on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @07:35AM (#21461853)
I don't think that FT is still a reputable company / source to quote.
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by DavidHm on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @08:12AM (#21462136)
How come?
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by svara on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:35AM (#21461275)
They have substantial investments in ARM and NVidia which seem more reasonable...
Re:SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil by whatok on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @07:01AM (#21461661)
They sold their entire stake in NVidia early this year and the total amount paled in comparison to the amount of losses/capital injections they did on WE.